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Jeffro
9th Dec 2007, 10:09 PM
hey guys i'm buying a new computer. i want to spend around 2200 on it.

any recommendations?

how does this look?
http://www.buyxg.com/system/XG_Xion_9000/

th3st1ck
9th Dec 2007, 10:18 PM
#1 Recommendation, unless you have a time constraint, always build one, save yourself an easy $200 - $300 sometimes, and will only take you 2-4 hours to build depending on experience

#2 Overall good build, some items could be better, but I dont know much about AMD and would go with an Intel

Jeffro
9th Dec 2007, 10:22 PM
i looked at the specs and they looked pretty damn good to me. i'm not into building b/c thats too much trouble and i'm lazy haha. but i mean does that computer look good? or does anybody else have any other recommendations or people i could go to buy from?

juneau
9th Dec 2007, 10:35 PM
I know you already said your lazy and what not but prebuilt is bad! You only get good hardware in certain areas of the spec, while the rest is junk and or unnecessary.

The price tag is huge on that rig for what you get. You should be expecting a Intel Quad at the very least. And if i'm reading it right... GTX in Sli? that's a joke in itself. :D

And at the very end... what do they do? On board audio. Need i say more? :D

Jeffro
9th Dec 2007, 10:42 PM
good point and i understand what you saying. i guess i'm stubborn but i'm not going to order parts and put it together at my house :P
So if you guys have any websites or anything of people who sell gaming rigs can you help? pllllllllllleassee :)

juneau
9th Dec 2007, 10:52 PM
good point and i understand what you saying. i guess i'm stubborn but i'm not going to order parts and put it together at my house :P
So if you guys have any websites or anything of people who sell gaming rigs can you help? pllllllllllleassee :)

My local store and the best etailer in Europe sells pre built rigs for every purpose. Surely there must be places in the US like you say. But, expect them to charge a premium.

Stop being stubborn. It'll cost you a lot of money that could be spent elsewhere. :D

Like th3st1ck said. You'll lose about $200, possibly more. And if you think about it. That could be technically a free 22" widescreen LCD. :)

Jeffro
9th Dec 2007, 10:54 PM
true, but i don't think i have enough knowledge to do all that. i'm gonna have to talk to a couple friends

th3st1ck
9th Dec 2007, 11:00 PM
true, but i don't think i have enough knowledge to do all that. i'm gonna have to talk to a couple friends

It's really not all that bad, I built my first computer with barely any help at all, its mostly just connecting plugs, which is very easy

Jeffro
9th Dec 2007, 11:03 PM
hows this look?

http://www.velocitymicro.com/wizard.php?iid=1

WalkinTarget
9th Dec 2007, 11:06 PM
Ship all the parts to my house and I'll build it for you, Jeffro. If you need any convincing, I have plenty of referrals.

Here's a pic of my friend's rig that I built for him:

http://www.wtslair.com/ProjectC2D/Casepic%20004.jpg
http://www.wtslair.com/ProjectC2D/Casepic%20005.jpg

Total cost to him was $775-$75 in rebates, and my labor and whatnot were .. hmmm, what did that come to .. ummm, yea ... FREE.

I would do this in a heartbeat if I knew how to safely ship it back to you. Bad part of shipping a full case is how banged up they can get in shipment. I rarely ever get damaged boxes from just the parts, but an entire PC is a different story.

{CLR}geneSW
9th Dec 2007, 11:10 PM
There are several websites that will build the computer for you at a decent price... I just finished pricing one together at www.velocitymicro.com and it wasn't too bad. Some other websites to check out are...

www.Maingear.com has a nice rig of just over $2200. here's the specs from what I pieced together..

case- Silver brushed aluminum finish w/ transparent side window
750w PSU from Maingear
Nvidia Nforce 680i SLI motherboard
Intel e6850 Core 2 (3ghz)
Zalman CPU cooler
Corsair XMS2 DDR2 pc 6400 2x1gb RAM
WD 500GB Caviar harddrive
20x dual layer DVD +-RW w/ Lightscribe technology (x2)
Nvidia Geforce 8800GT 512mb
Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Sound card
Windows XP pro

and of course if you want you can ship me the parts as well and I can UPS the computer back to ya, I should have a box large enough to ship it back in. If you need references, I can have those for you ASAP. Just finished building a computer for a friend who is shiping out to Korea in Feburary and am in the middle of building another computer for a friend here on base.

Jeffro
9th Dec 2007, 11:12 PM
hmm interesting. thats a pretty good offer only thing bad is shipping, ups bangs the crap out of everything. i def want a geforce 8800 and around 2 gigs of ram.

Jeffro
9th Dec 2007, 11:20 PM
ok is a 8800gt vs gts that big of a difference? like can i play everything i want with a gt?

{CLR}geneSW
9th Dec 2007, 11:20 PM
You can wrap up the pc enough to avoid damage if you use packing peanuts and bubble wrap, The UPS Store has those in good supply.

Jeffro
9th Dec 2007, 11:42 PM
what about a dell xps 720 with a 768MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX. its around 2100. oh and also i'm not paying for this haha, so don't worry about if i'm getting ripped or not lol.

My Components
Intel? Core?2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista? Home Premium
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 2 DIMMs
500GB - Seagate 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
No Monitor
768MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX
Sound Blaster? X-Fi? XtremeGamer (D) Sound Card
Dell USB Keyboard
Dell Optical USB Mouse
No Floppy Drive or Media Reader Included
No Modem Requested
My Software & Accessories
No speakers (Speakers are required to hear audio from your system)
Trend Micro Internet Security 15-months
Microsoft Works 8. DOES NOT INCLUDE MS WORD
My Service
1Yr In-Home Service, Parts + Labor, 24x7 Phone Support
Free 10GB DataSafe Online Backup for 1Year
No ISP requested
Also Includes
Windows Vista? Premium
Adobe? Acrobat? Reader 8.1
XPS, Specialized Support
No Entertainment software pre-installed

juneau
9th Dec 2007, 11:49 PM
what about a dell xps 720 with a 768MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX. its around 2100. oh and also i'm not paying for this haha, so don't worry about if i'm getting ripped or not lol.

My Components
Intel? Core?2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista? Home Premium
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 2 DIMMs
500GB - Seagate 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
No Monitor
768MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX
Sound Blaster? X-Fi? XtremeGamer (D) Sound Card
Dell USB Keyboard
Dell Optical USB Mouse
No Floppy Drive or Media Reader Included
No Modem Requested
My Software & Accessories
No speakers (Speakers are required to hear audio from your system)
Trend Micro Internet Security 15-months
Microsoft Works 8. DOES NOT INCLUDE MS WORD
My Service
1Yr In-Home Service, Parts + Labor, 24x7 Phone Support
Free 10GB DataSafe Online Backup for 1Year
No ISP requested
Also Includes
Windows Vista? Premium
Adobe? Acrobat? Reader 8.1
XPS, Specialized Support
No Entertainment software pre-installed

RIP OFF! I mean RIP OFF! I could build that PC for around ?800, that's $1600.

Prebuilt is around for one thing and one thing only. To take advantage of people. PC's are not hard to build. Far from it in fact. It's just like hooking up a new TV and surround sound setup.

Rule of the thumb with PC's. If it doesn't fit, it's the wrong slot/plug. Each part will only connect into it's true socket..... unless you whack it down with your fist. Which of course you won't. :)

{CLR}geneSW
9th Dec 2007, 11:50 PM
loose vista for XP. and give it a slightly higher CPU clock speed and you'd be set.

Jeffro
9th Dec 2007, 11:51 PM
hmmmm my head hurts :(

juneau
9th Dec 2007, 11:53 PM
Wow, two replies as i was posting. :D

Jeffro
9th Dec 2007, 11:54 PM
lol. ok well this is what i'm getting at. forget price. i don't care about that. are those specs good enough to handle all the games out there right now? yes or no? lol

juneau
9th Dec 2007, 11:55 PM
lol. ok well this is what i'm getting at. forget price. i don't care about that. are those specs good enough to handle all the games out there right now? yes or no? lol

Yes, but i feel saddened by the fact that your losing at least $500 on that rig that could be spent elsewhere. :(

I agree with Seiko also. Say bye bye to Vista.

I've also just noticed it's a dell. Are they still using custom cases/PSUs/Motherboards on all specs?

edit: Just noticed a very big important part of the spec that i hope for your sake that you left it out and not Dell. What motherboard is used? :shock:

Jeffro
9th Dec 2007, 11:58 PM
i heard somewhere that they stopped doing the custom thing. but i might be wrong. don't feel saddened lol, i just graduated college and my parents are giving me a present w00t!

Jeffro
9th Dec 2007, 11:59 PM
no i didn't leave anything out... why whatsup?

juneau
9th Dec 2007, 11:59 PM
i heard somewhere that they stopped doing the custom thing. but i might be wrong. don't feel saddened lol, i just graduated college and my parents are giving me a present w00t!

Check what motherboard it uses and get back to me. :twisted:

Jeffro
10th Dec 2007, 12:02 AM
grr i'm going to bed lol

juneau
10th Dec 2007, 12:03 AM
grr i'm going to bed lol

Me too! :D

darth_nevus
10th Dec 2007, 01:11 PM
ok is a 8800gt vs gts that big of a difference? like can i play everything i want with a gt?

Yes, the GT is Cheaper, and so far, BETTER than the GTS Varients(i haven't seen the SSC cards in the wild yet to make a 100% conclusion)

For any rig, i'd recommend a 8800GT over a 8800GTS at this point.

BlackArrow
10th Dec 2007, 01:19 PM
ok is a 8800gt vs gts that big of a difference? like can i play everything i want with a gt?

Yes, the GT is Cheaper, and so far, BETTER than the GTS Varients(i haven't seen the SSC cards in the wild yet to make a 100% conclusion)

For any rig, i'd recommend a 8800GT over a 8800GTS at this point.


+ 1

I own the GTS, but from everything I have read, the GT is faster and better.

Jeffro
10th Dec 2007, 01:23 PM
hmm thats weird... then why is the gts more expensive?

juneau
10th Dec 2007, 01:26 PM
hmm thats weird... then why is the gts more expensive?

Because Nvidia want to shift old stock and fool everybody at the same time. It more expensive so it must be better right? :)

darth_nevus
10th Dec 2007, 01:29 PM
hmm thats weird... then why is the gts more expensive?

Because its has a larger ring bus, the chip itself is more expensive to make since its on a larger die, and there is more ram. video ram is expensive....

the thing about the SSC GTS models, is that they are throwback GTX chips, with just the underpreforming parts cut out, hence the odd number of stream processors they will be running. thing is, i have yet to see them.

add to that most etailors bought large chunks at a fixed price. and while the GT was cheaper, they still want to make their margin on the gts cards.

Jeffro
10th Dec 2007, 01:31 PM
so i should go with the 512MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT?
i'm happy with that thats like a huge diff in price for me if i still get performance.

BlackArrow
10th Dec 2007, 02:05 PM
Jeffro,

Reviews.

Computer Shopper:

"Reviewed by: Denny Atkin
Review Date: November 2007

Given how nVidia has named its graphics cards in the past, you'd think that the GeForce 8800 GT would be a slower, less-expensive version of the $400 8800 GTS. Well, it is less expensive, with cards arriving on the shelves at $250 to $300, but it's not slower. In fact, the 8800 GT outperformed the 8800 GTS in most of our tests, effectively bringing the cost of buying a high-performance graphics card down by about $100."

http://computershopper.com/reviews/xfx-geforce-8800-gt-alpha-dog-edition-graphics-card


Computer Power User:

"In single or SLI mode and running the DX10-based Bioshock tests in 1,600 x 1,200, the 8800 GT actually outperformed an 8800 GTS. In single mode, the 8800 GT churned out an impressive 68.4fps vs. the 8800 GTS? 59.7fps, with the Radeon HD 2900 XT lagging behind at 55.3fps. Everyone?s favorite, yet performance-hogging, Crysis demo test showed the 8800 GT at 36fps vs. the Radeon 2900 XT?s 25fps at 1,280 x 1,024."

http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles%2farchive%2fc0801%2f2 1c01%2f21c01.asp&guid=CAAF1B0BCB254632A3E81B689A9C9B05


Andantech:

"On paper, the 8800 GT completely gets rid of the point of the 8800 GTS. The 8800 GT has more shader processing power, can address and filter more textures per clock, and only falls short in the number of pixels it can write out to memory per clock and overall memory bandwidth. Even then, the memory bandwidth advantage of the 8800 GTS isn't that great (64GB/s vs. 57.6GB/s), amounting to only 11% thanks to the 8800 GT's slightly higher memory clock. If the 8800 GT does end up performing the same, if not better, than the 8800 GTS then NVIDIA will have truly thrown down an amazing hand."

"As we've mentioned, on paper the 8800 GT looks much better in every area except for memory bandwidth. Even though memory size is an advantage for the 640MB card, we know from experience that the added memory size really doesn't net us much in the way of performance except in the most extreme circumstances. So we certainly expect the 8800 GT to outperform both the more expensive 8800 GTS 320MB and (by extension) the 8800 GTS 640MB. Essentially, this should give us the performance of a $400 card for $200 - $250. Quite a good deal no matter how you slice it.

And from the first, our expectations are upheld and then some. The 8800 GT does top the GTS. This seals the deal: the 8800 GTS is no longer a viable product. While NVIDIA has stated that the 320MB part will be dropped very quickly, they expect the 640MB card to stick around for a few months. We don't see this happening unless retailers start selling the 640MB part for $250 as well. While such a drastic price reduction is possible, it isn't very likely. Once people hear about the performance difference of the 8800 GT over the 8800 GTS, there may be a lot of $400+ 8800 GTS inventory sitting on shelves. "

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3140

Jeffro
10th Dec 2007, 02:07 PM
so have i told you guys how much i loved yall recently? lol thanks for everything.

BlackArrow
10th Dec 2007, 02:18 PM
We've already established that NVIDIA's new 8800 GT is better than the 8800 GTS, but how does it fare against the current king of the hill - the GeForce 8800 GTX?

Here are the test results in frames per second of the 8800 GT versus the 8800 GTX in games that are just coming out.



http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb320/BlackArrowPhotos/GTX-CoD4.png

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb320/BlackArrowPhotos/GTX-UT3.png

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb320/BlackArrowPhotos/GTX-hl2.png

Jeffro
10th Dec 2007, 02:46 PM
so should i get gtx? is it really that big of a difference?

BigTwinky
10th Dec 2007, 03:04 PM
Depends on your needs. When I saw those numbers, first thing that popped into my mind is that its an acceptable difference in frame rate.

What you consider ok might not be for someone else. It all depends on your wants and needs.

But if price truly is not an issue (and if you don't mind having your parents spend more of their money), then go with the GTX. Its a better card. But for some, its not THAT much of a better card.

Jeffro
10th Dec 2007, 03:46 PM
i think ill be fine with a gt

juneau
10th Dec 2007, 03:49 PM
A GT will be fine unless you plan to play with crazy high resolutions. :)

Jeffro
10th Dec 2007, 03:59 PM
nah ill be good :) thnx for the help guys! now let me buy my stuff and something new and cool will come out tomorrow and ill be screwed
lol

BlackArrow
10th Dec 2007, 05:12 PM
The GT will make you happy for a while. good choice :2thumbs:

juneau
10th Dec 2007, 05:18 PM
So are you going with that Dell? Did you ever find out what motherboard it uses? What spec is the PSU?

Jeffro
10th Dec 2007, 05:53 PM
yeah i think i'm gonna be a fallen soldier and go with the dell lol. atleast they have year warranties and stuff.

Jeffro
10th Dec 2007, 05:54 PM
first thing i'm gonna do is buy crysis lol

juneau
10th Dec 2007, 06:35 PM
Not to keep on about it but. What Motherboard Does It Use!? :twisted:

It is a very important part of your PC!

Jeffro
10th Dec 2007, 08:24 PM
ok guys how does this sound? i did a lil research. i could buy this one from cyberpowerpc.com for around 1700

$1689.00
(before all applicable rebates)


CASE: ($25 off Mail-in Rebate) New! Apevia X-Jupiter Full Tower Gaming Server w/ Temp Display and Fan Control 420 Watt Power (G Type Metallic Gray Color with Side-Window)

CPU: (Sckt775)Intel? Core? 2 Duo E6550 CPU @ 2.33GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit

MOTHERBOARD: (Quad-Core FSB1333) Asus P5N-E nForce 650i SLI Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard

MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)4GB (2x2GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)

VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)

VIDEO CARD 2: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)

LCD Monitor: NONE

HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
Data Hard Drive: NONE

Optical Drive: (Special Price) 20X DVD?R/?RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
Optical Drive 2: 16X DVD ROM (BLACK COLOR)

SOUND: 3D WAVE ON-BOARD 5.1 SOUND CARD

drunken_chef
10th Dec 2007, 08:28 PM
that's funny. i was going to post a link for cyberpower(i have friends that buy form them). but, i figured you were stuck on the dell.

not bad, IMO get a faster CPU and a stand alone sound card and youll be rocking.

Jeffro
10th Dec 2007, 08:29 PM
dude i'm so lost i'm about to cry lol. are they good at waht they do? 600watt power supply is enough to hand 2 8800gt? help! lol

drunken_chef
10th Dec 2007, 08:32 PM
everyone(3 people) i know that has bought from CP has been very happy. i would probably upgrade the PS. let me go take a look at it.

drunken_chef
10th Dec 2007, 08:33 PM
http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html

you can look at the pull down on the right side to see what PSUs nvidia has certified.

Jeffro
10th Dec 2007, 08:34 PM
ok and i'm about to sound really stupid. this comes with 2 8800gt so therefore do i have to do anything for them to work? or do i have to "configure"? i suck at this lol

juneau
10th Dec 2007, 08:43 PM
Nope you won't. With it being pre built it'll work out of the box. Sli doesn't work in all games though, and is only really intended for high resolutions, e.g 1920x1600.

Don't they do a spec with one 8800GT?

Jeffro
10th Dec 2007, 08:45 PM
dudes, thanks for helping with my idiocy lol. basically i want to run the best out there (crysis) on max settings. not b/c i like crysis but b/c i have never had a top of the line system. so i wanna own all lol.

drunken_chef
10th Dec 2007, 08:48 PM
CASE: ($20 off Mail-in Rebate) NEW! Apevia X-Jupiter Jr. 420 Watts Case (G Type Metallic Gray Color with Side-Window)
CPU: (Quad-Core)Intel? Core? 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4GHz 1066FSB 8MB L2 Cache 64-bit
MOTHERBOARD: (Quad-Core FSB1333) Asus P5N-E nForce 650i SLI Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard
MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
VIDEO CARD 2: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
LCD Monitor: NONE
HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
Data Hard Drive: NONE
Optical Drive: (Special Price) 20X DVD?R/?RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
Optical Drive 2: 16X DVD ROM (BLACK COLOR)
SOUND: Creative Labs X-FI XtremeGamer 24-BIT PCI Sound Card


this came to $1641

{CLR}geneSW
10th Dec 2007, 10:01 PM
CASE: ($20 off Mail-in Rebate) NEW! Apevia X-Jupiter Jr. 420 Watts Case (G Type Metallic Gray Color with Side-Window)
CPU: (Quad-Core)Intel? Core? 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4GHz 1066FSB 8MB L2 Cache 64-bit
MOTHERBOARD: (Quad-Core FSB1333) Asus P5N-E nForce 650i SLI Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard
MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
VIDEO CARD 2: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
LCD Monitor: NONE
HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
Data Hard Drive: NONE
Optical Drive: (Special Price) 20X DVD?R/?RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
Optical Drive 2: 16X DVD ROM (BLACK COLOR)
SOUND: Creative Labs X-FI XtremeGamer 24-BIT PCI Sound Card


this came to $1641

from where?

drunken_chef
10th Dec 2007, 10:13 PM
if you'd read up a little you'd see that jeffro and i are discussing cyberpowerpc :wink:

edit: that total also includes athermaltake tough power 700w PS that is on nvidias SLI list for 8800 gt's.

Jeffro
11th Dec 2007, 09:02 AM
can you send me the link to that?
do you think 2 gigs is enough?

Jeffro
11th Dec 2007, 09:15 AM
ok i think i found one. hows this sound? 1600 bucks. stil lgotta change out the sound card.

Chassis ( Thermaltake Armour Full-Tower Chassis with MOD Window Black Color )
Case Lighting ( Cold Cathode Neon Light Blue )

Power Supply ( 800 Watt -- XION Power Supply )

Processor ( AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ Dual-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology )

Processor Cooling ( Aeoncraft Quiet & Cool CPU Liquid Cooling Kit [AMD Version] )

Motherboard ( Asus M2N-E SLI NVIDIA nForce 500 SLI MCP Chipset w/7.1
Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, Dual PCI-E MB )

Memory ( 4096MB [1024MB X4] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module Corsair-Value or Major Brand )

Video Card ( 2x NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT 512MB w/DVI + TV Out Video - running SLI mode )

Hard Drive ( High Performance Serial-ATA-II Hard Drive 500GB - 7,200 RPM w/16MB Cache )

2nd Hard Drive ( None )

CD/DVD Drive ( 16x DVD-ROM Drive )

CD-RW/DVD-RW Drive ( 20x Dual Layer DVD?R/?RW Drive )

Sound Card ( High Definition 7.1 3D Surround Sound Onboard )

Speaker System ( 600W PMPO 3 PCS Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System )

Network Card ( 10/100/1000 High Performance Network LAN Onboard )

Floppy Drive ( None )

Monitor ( None )

Keyboard ( Logitech Deluxe Keyboard Black )

Mouse ( Logitech Optical Internet Mouse Black )

Flash Media Reader/Writer ( 12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer )

Operation System ( Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium + [Free 60-Day !!!] Microsoft Office 2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....) 32-Bit )

Media Center Remote Control & TV Tuner ( None )

USB Flash Drive ( None )

Video Camera ( None )

Headset ( None )

Power Protection ( None )

External Wireless Network Adapter ( [Special !!!] Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps PCI Adapter )

Warranty ( Warranty Service Aeoncraft 1-Year Premium Warranty Package )

Rand{CLR}
11th Dec 2007, 09:37 AM
2 gigs will get you through the short term. A 32 bit OS like XP or Vista won't recognize much more than 3 anyway, and if you get name-brand ram you can upgrade later at your convenience for cheaper than what it would take to go to that level now in many cases.

I seriously considered Cyberpower this summer for my system, but decided against them. They had the best price, but WAY too many complaints in various places against them. I went with Velocity Micro, and haven't regretted it. Superb build, good price, and excellent quality. My single qualm is that they used a version of PC-6400 Corsair Value Select that I can't buy anywhere--it's ONLY available to certain builders, not even Newegg has it. So when I want to upgrade my ram I take a slight performance hit for not having the exact same brand, or I get four new sticks.

Then again, under that deal posted this week for 2 gigs for $37.00 after rebate, 4 sticks of that stuff is less than 2 were when I bought my system.

-Rand

darth_nevus
11th Dec 2007, 12:48 PM
off note, but more proof the GT is a better bet. the G80, supposedly is ending its life in january.

Nice rig btw!

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4631&Itemid=1

darth_nevus
11th Dec 2007, 01:01 PM
i stand corrected:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3175

Carbon, your right, they DID decide to complcate matters further. i completely missed that they were going to do this...

the 8800gts512 is faster yet than the 8800gt. sticking a G92 core on a card commly known for its g80 core. but trumping up speeds, and trhe whole shabang faster than the 8800 ultra, with 8 less ROP's.

but, thanks o all the "enhancements" this card is only MARGINALLY slower than the 8800ultra... and in some cases. like oblivion and COD4, it actually beats it...

but overall recommendation is the 8800GT 512. nothe GTS512, or the GT256 if you plan on running high resolutions and high graphics settings.

juneau
11th Dec 2007, 01:26 PM
ok i think i found one. hows this sound? 1600 bucks. stil lgotta change out the sound card.

snip

That is one of the poorest specs i've ever seen. Who in their right mind pairs two 8800GT's with a AMD X2 4000+. :o

drunken_chef
11th Dec 2007, 01:30 PM
ok i think i found one. hows this sound? 1600 bucks. stil lgotta change out the sound card.

snip

That is one of the poorest specs i've ever seen. Who in their right mind pairs two 8800GT's with a AMD X2 4000+. :o

+1 a pair of 8800 GTs will max out any processor out there. and a 4000+ is far from the fastest available.

juneau
11th Dec 2007, 01:31 PM
Isn't there any top notch gaming rig suppliers in the US that know what they're doing? Like Alienware but cheaper? :D

darth_nevus
11th Dec 2007, 01:33 PM
Isn't there any top notch gaming rig suppliers in the US that know what they're doing? Like Alienware but cheaper? :D

Alienware is now owned by dell. they lost their sense of knowing what theyare doing.

There is Falcon Northwest, but they are quite a bit out of his budget....

juneau
11th Dec 2007, 01:35 PM
Isn't there any top notch gaming rig suppliers in the US that know what they're doing? Like Alienware but cheaper? :D

Alienware is now owned by dell. they lost their sense of knowing what theyare doing.

There is Falcon Northwest, but they are quite a bit out of his budget....

Pity. Also a pity you don't have a place like OcUk. :D


Titan Gamer Intel Core 2 DUO E6550 2.33GHz SILENT DDR2 System

- Intel Core 2 DUO E6550 2.33GHz Processor (Socket 775)
- Abit IP35-E Intel P35 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
- OcUK 2GB (2x1GB) PC8500 1066MHz DDR2 Dual Channel Kit
- NEC 7170 18x18 DVD?RW Dual Layer ReWriter (Black)
- ATI Radeon HD 3850 Pro 256MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express)
- Western Digital 2500YS 250GB SATA-II 16MB Cache
- Antec NSK4480 Super Midi-Tower Case
- Antec 380W PSU

Note - All Titan systems are built and installed on demand, during busy periods this may cause a delay of between 24 and 48 hours in despatching your order.

?527.58 inc VAT

That comes to a little under $1100. They even do Pre-Massively-Overclocked systems. :D


"Ultima OC 8800GT" Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.40GHz @ QX6950+ 3.30GHz+ Quad Core SILENT DDR2 System

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 GO 2.40GHz Quad Core CPU Overclocked too a minimum of 3.30GHz and beyond. (8/9 x 400MHz - 1600MHz FSB)
- Tuniq Tower 120 Pro Blue LED Intel approved cooler
- Arctic Silver 5 Heatsink compound professionally hand installed by our technicians
- Abit IP35-Pro Intel P35 (Socket LGA775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
- Award winning Crucial 2GB Ballistix Tracer PC2-8500 CAS5 (2x1GB) Dual Channel Kit (Overclocked at 1000MHz+) (Note when upgrading to 4GB overclock drops to 3.10GHz-3.30GHz on CPU)
- 500GB Western Digital 16MB Cache SATA-2 Hard Drive
- NVIDIA 8800 GT 512MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) DirectX 10 Graphics Card
- Pioneer 112DBK 18x DVD?RW Dual Layer ReWriter (Black)
- Antec NINE HUNDRED Gamers ATX Case
- OCZ 600W Next Generation Power Supply

?880.08 inc VAT

Quality parts throughout, even the PSU.

darth_nevus
11th Dec 2007, 01:41 PM
juneau: comfortably priced:
ICON Exotix - Blue Flames
ICON Window and Case Lighting - Blue
Silverstone 1000Watt Strider - Modular
EVGA nVidia nForce 680I - SLI
Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme QX6850 3.0GHz
Icon Watercooling Kit
4GB Corsair Dominator 8500C5
2x nVidia GeForce 8800Ultra 768MB
BFG PhysX Accelerator - 128MB
Integrated On-Board Audio
DLink Wireless A/B/G USB
MTron 64GB SSD - 2x32GB Raid 0
Raid 0+1 - Requires 4 Identical Drives
Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2
Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2
Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2
Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2
LG BlueRay/HD Reader and DVD/RW
Lite-On 20X DVD+-RW W/Lightscribe
Mitsumi Flash Media & Floppy Drive
Windows Vista Ultimate - 32 Bit
Office 2007 Professional
Microsoft Wireless Desktop 8000
Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
Ergodex DX-1 Falcon Edition
Samsung 30 - 2560x1600
Samsung 30 - 2560x1600
Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1
Monster Power 800HP
Enermax Quiet Mag-Lev Fans
Falcon Northwest T-Shirt (LG)

* You have exceeded your number of supported SATA devices. Please remove an SATA device or add an additional SATA controller.
* The Ergodex keyboard is not yet compatable with Windows Vista. This should be corrected shortly with a driver update.
* The Ergodex keyboard is not yet compatable with Windows Vista. This should be corrected shortly with a driver update.

System Price: $18,304.19

Price with UPS Ground $18,656.79
Price with UPS 2-Day $19,037.34
Price with UPS Overnight $19,439.39
Price with USPS Service to Military $19,379.19


Standard:

TJ-04 - Black Anodized
Silverstone 750Watt Strider - Modular
EVGA nVidia nForce 680I - SLI
Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 3.0GHz
Zalman CNPS7000B-ALCU LED
2GB Corsair Dominator 6400C4
nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB
Integrated On-Board Audio
Western Digital 250GB 16MB Cache SATA 2
Lite-On 20X DVD+-RW W/Lightscribe
No Floppy Drive
Windows Vista Home Premium - 32 Bit
1 Year - Parts and Labor

Known issues with this configuration: None

System Price: $ 2,108.52

Price with UPS Ground $ 2,231.52
Price with UPS 2-Day $ 2,364.27
Price with UPS Overnight $ 2,504.52
Price with USPS Service to Military $ 2,483.52




ROFL.

But in all honesty, i never looked really for a performance pc maker with a decent price, as i always make my own. i'll have to look some more. or start my own business. lol.

juneau
11th Dec 2007, 01:44 PM
WTH!? :shock: :twisted:

But did you notice the strange parts, which is why i'm not taking any of these specs so far very serious.

Silverstone 750Watt Strider - Modular (Waste of power).
EVGA nVidia nForce 680I - SLI (Old, and not too great motherboard. Plenty of other options).

It's like they don't have a clue. :|

darth_nevus
11th Dec 2007, 01:50 PM
WTH!? :shock: :twisted:

But did you notice the strange parts, which is why i'm not taking any of these specs so far very serious.

Silverstone 750Watt Strider - Modular (Waste of power).
EVGA nVidia nForce 680I - SLI (Old, and not too great motherboard. Plenty of other options).

It's like they don't have a clue. :|

no, its the standard psu they use so it can be upgraded. 750w for 2x 8800Ultra's, 4tb of hd space, as well as the remainder of thing stuff they toss in isn't too much of a waste. lol.

as far as the mobo, i agree. but they offer oc'ing and custom paint jobs out of the box. so, being that the 680i is still currently the most stable mass producable and reproducable, its not too surprising.

Falcon makes some of te best pc's in the world, but they are priced way way out there. i've seen 50k+ quotes come out of them for a custom airbrushing jobs. and they don't just do the case. and peripherals as well. mouse, keyboard, monitors, etc. all custom.

excessive, yes. bragging rights? you better believe it.

BlackArrow
11th Dec 2007, 02:51 PM
great rig Darth, although why go with the QX6850 when the QX9650 is now out :?

You gotta love the solid state hard drives :2thumbs:

Jeffro
11th Dec 2007, 03:00 PM
ok here we go guys. this looks better right? no dual graphics cards. and better processor.

AcronCraft System Configuration Email
Dear customer,

Thank you for shopping at AeonCraft.com. Following is the configuration of Aeon-8070


1. Chassis (Thermaltake Armour Full-Tower Chassis with MOD Window Black Color)

2. Case Lighting (Cold Cathode Neon Light Blue)

3. Power Supply (800 Watt -- XION Power Supply )

4. Processor ([=== Quad Core ===] AMD Phenom X4 9500 Quad-Core CPU! w/ HyperTransport Technology )

5. Free Software/Game ([FREE !!!] 1GB Flash Memory Pen Drive )

6. Processor Cooling (Aeoncraft Quiet & Cool CPU Liquid Cooling Kit [AMD Version] )

7. Motherboard (Asus M2N-E SLI NVIDIA nForce 500 SLI MCP Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, Dual PCI-E MB )

8. Memory (4096MB [1024MB X4] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module Corsair-Value or Major Brand )

9. Video Card (NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT 512MB w/DVI + TV Out Video )

10. Hard Drive (High Performance Serial-ATA-II Hard Drive 500GB - 7,200 RPM w/16MB Cache )

11. 2nd Hard Drive (None )

12. CD/DVD Drive (16x DVD-ROM Drive )

13. CD-RW/DVD-RW Drive (20x Dual Layer DVD?R/?RW Drive )

14. Sound Card (Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi ExtremeGamer High Definition 7.1 3D Surround Sound )

15. Speaker System (600W PMPO 3 PCS Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System )

16. Network Card (10/100/1000 High Performance Network LAN Onboard )

17. Floppy Drive (None )

18.! Monitor (None )

19. Keyboard (Logitech Deluxe Keyboard Black)

20. Mouse (Logitech Optical Internet Mouse Black)

21. USB 2.0 Accessories (External USB 2.0 Hub (4x Ports) )

22. Flash Media Reader/Writer (12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer )

23. Operation System (Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium + [Free 60-Day !!!] Microsoft Office 2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....) 32-Bit)

24. Media Center Remote Control & TV Tuner (None )

25. USB Flash Drive (None )

26. Video Camera (None )

27. Headset (None )

28. Power Protection (None )

29. External Wireless Network Adapter ([Special !!!] Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps PCI Adapter )

30. Warranty (Warranty Service Aeoncraft 1-Year Premium Warranty Package)

Sytem Price:$1,596.00

Jeffro
11th Dec 2007, 03:45 PM
? :?

juneau
11th Dec 2007, 04:22 PM
That is a very nice looking spec Jeffro. Does it come with the OS?

edit: My eyes! Yes it does. :D

Jeffro
11th Dec 2007, 04:29 PM
finally! lol so i'm not screwing up now? lol

Rand{CLR}
11th Dec 2007, 05:10 PM
Refresh us again...why not a Core 2 Duo or quad core Intel?

Excellent price for those specs for a pre-built system. I would wonder (worry?) about the reputation/reliability of the company. I'm not really aware of who they are, so I couldn't say one way or the other.

-Rand

Jeffro
11th Dec 2007, 05:18 PM
well i found them in pc gamer magazine. i have a subscription. called them also, seemed professional, even helped me out. so ill see what happens.
i would rather go with amd than intel. my lil way of keeping the man down. lol.

{CLR}geneSW
11th Dec 2007, 08:29 PM
Change out that MoBo. I have a Asus M2N + SLI Vista edition (Same M2N series) and it has USB controller issues. Had to go out and get a USB card so I could use my mouse, keyboard, printer, and other USB devices. Happened about 2 months after I got the MoBo.

imlittlev
11th Dec 2007, 11:15 PM
Refresh us again...why not a Core 2 Duo or quad core Intel?

Excellent price for those specs for a pre-built system. I would wonder (worry?) about the reputation/reliability of the company. I'm not really aware of who they are, so I couldn't say one way or the other.

-Rand

why not AMD? somebody has to support the smaller company. If we all bought from the fastest, intel would be totally dominating, yes? (bad?)

{CLR}geneSW
12th Dec 2007, 12:28 AM
Refresh us again...why not a Core 2 Duo or quad core Intel?

Excellent price for those specs for a pre-built system. I would wonder (worry?) about the reputation/reliability of the company. I'm not really aware of who they are, so I couldn't say one way or the other.

-Rand

why not AMD? somebody has to support the smaller company. If we all bought from the fastest, intel would be totally dominating, yes? (bad?)

exactly. That's why I actually went with the AMD 6000+ when I built my system, but then again i've always went with AMD. :twisted:

juneau
12th Dec 2007, 09:39 AM
I support Intel right now. Just buy whatever is best at the time. There's no point in supporting something just because your a fan of the manufacturer. AMD are not truely interested in the Home sector right now. They're happily making millions from the OEM and Server sectors.

Hopefully though, AMD will be back in the Home market with a bang. :D