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    UF Student Tasered at Kerry Speech

    http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/ru...da_student.php
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    #2
    i saw that on the news this morning. i hope he sue the piss out of them. especially after his comments while its happening. misconduct if i ever heard it...

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      #3
      YAY!! More idiot, inexpereinced and trigger happy cops that are exposed! They need to go.

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        #4
        Now kids remember to do what the police officer tells you to.

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          #5
          When I saw the report, witnesses were saying the dude was already on his stomach and cuffed when they zapped him. If so, he's going to make himself a lot of money.

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            #6
            There's more to this story according to the comments posted on a youtube version of this by the kid that filmed it. In that version, apparently the kid came running into the hall pursued by the cops, they were about to arrest him and Kerry said he'd answer the kid's question. So he was already in trouble (no idea why there were chasing him in the first place, but that's why they were standing behind him), and apparently went over his allotted time and wouldn't relinquish the microphone, at which point they started to remove him.

            There are a couple of other versions floating around. I figure there are probably at least half a dozen different videos of it, I've already seen two.

            While whatever they were originally after him for may or may not have been justified, the tasering was by the book. He was continuing to verbally and physically resist. Doesn't matter if he's already down and cuffed, if you are resisting in any way they are allowed to tase you. You do know that just raising your voice to a police officer can get you tasered, right? It really doesn't matter WHY you're being detained, on the scene with the arresting officer is NOT the place to argue the matter. Keep your mouth shut and do what they tell you to do, and fight it out in court. No matter who's right or wrong, resisting a law enforcement officer is always a stupid thing to do. You're still going to get arrested, you'll get beated down, zapped, and have even more charges pending.

            I look forward to seeing the full story of what exactly happened here.
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              #7
              I'm sorry but i found that completely disgusting. Has it really gone that far in the US where you can get tased for something so small? Can't 6+ cops arrest and remove one man, that to put it bluntly isn't putting up much of a fight without the use of a taser?

              I saw something a while back where a traffic cop was recorded on his own dash cam physically removing a women from her car because he was having a bad day.

              Total over use of power.

              I'd love to know what he did. Especially as the cops held off while he asked a question. I bet it was something stupid like queue jumping.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Thrashdragon
                While whatever they were originally after him for may or may not have been justified, the tasering was by the book. He was continuing to verbally and physically resist. Doesn't matter if he's already down and cuffed, if you are resisting in any way they are allowed to tase you. You do know that just raising your voice to a police officer can get you tasered, right? It really doesn't matter WHY you're being detained, on the scene with the arresting officer is NOT the place to argue the matter. Keep your mouth shut and do what they tell you to do, and fight it out in court. No matter who's right or wrong, resisting a law enforcement officer is always a stupid thing to do. You're still going to get arrested, you'll get beated down, zapped, and have even more charges pending.

                Ummm...what? Since when? Silence is a right, not an order. I spent four years studying law, and this is the first time I have heard of this. As long as a suspect doesn't shout somethig to the effect of, "I'm going to kill you!", then they aren't guilty of resisting arrest. If this is something that is in the lawbooks, I would love to see it.

                Additionally, Seeing as how he was on the ground and restrained already, the taser was obviously unnecessary. Every officer can thank whatever deity they pray to that that guy did not have a pacemaker, or it could possibly be murder charges for them.

                Edited because I believe that there is an "s" in the word, "seeing"

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ThisElfRocksHard
                  Ummm...what? Since when? Silence is a right, not an order. I spent four years studying law, and this is the first time I have heard of this. As long as a suspect doesn't shout somethig to the effect of, "I'm going to kill you!", then they aren't guilty of resisting arrest. If this is something that is in the lawbooks, I would love to see it.

                  Additionally, eeing as how he was on the ground and restrained already, the taser was obviously unnecessary. Every officer can thank whatever deity they pray to that that guy did not have a pacemaker, or it could possibly be murder charges for them.
                  Use of force guidelines permit tasering a subject that is verbally resisting arrest or being verbally disruptive. In fact, the training video shown to the deputies at my old agency showed a truck driver being tased on a traffic stop after the officer repeatedly asks him to stop yelling (and he's not threatening the officer, he's just ranting).

                  I'm not saying whether that's right or wrong, but there's nothing in that video that shows wrongdoing by the officers according to Florida law.

                  As far as him being on the ground...before tasers, they would've used fists or a nightstick to get him to stop struggling. Personally I'd rather be tasered than clubbed.

                  Turns out this kid runs a website where he posts videos of him playing pranks on people, looks like he took this one a little too far.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Thrashdragon
                    Originally posted by ThisElfRocksHard
                    Ummm...what? Since when? Silence is a right, not an order. I spent four years studying law, and this is the first time I have heard of this. As long as a suspect doesn't shout somethig to the effect of, "I'm going to kill you!", then they aren't guilty of resisting arrest. If this is something that is in the lawbooks, I would love to see it.

                    Additionally, Seeing as how he was on the ground and restrained already, the taser was obviously unnecessary. Every officer can thank whatever deity they pray to that that guy did not have a pacemaker, or it could possibly be murder charges for them.
                    Use of force guidelines permit tasering a subject that is verbally resisting arrest or being verbally disruptive. In fact, the training video shown to the deputies at my old agency showed a truck driver being tased on a traffic stop after the officer repeatedly asks him to stop yelling (and he's not threatening the officer, he's just ranting).
                    I hate to repeat myself here:

                    Originally posted by ThisElfRocksHard
                    If this is something that is in the lawbooks, I would love to see it.

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                      #11
                      It was obvious that they didn't have him cuffed when they tasered him. He's walking towards the Senator, a Government Official, it's not like he can keep going. Know one knows what the hell he was going to do. They asked him numerous times to stop and he didn't. He's lucky they didn't shoot him.

                      I love watching cops because of stupid people like that. They think they can do whatever they feel and there will be no consequence to there actions. Something must have happened for the cops to be standing behind him to begin with and I don't think it was as innocent as they are trying portray.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ThisElfRocksHard

                        I hate to repeat myself here:

                        Originally posted by ThisElfRocksHard
                        If this is something that is in the lawbooks, I would love to see it.
                        AFAIK, individual departments' use of force guidelines are the only things that specifically address taser use, since the widespread use of them is fairly new. There's nothing statutory that I'm aware of (although I'm not in that business anymore and could have easily missed it), and while I'm sure there will be some case law at some point, it will probably be on a state-by-state basis and therefore woefully inconsistent anyway. I believe there is a bill being written to prohibit the use of tasers on minors in DOJJ custody, but I'm not aware of anything else that even mentions them.

                        I'm just passing along what the rules were when I worked for a law enforcement agency a couple of years ago, if you want to argue their legality you'll need to look elsewhere.
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                          #13
                          UF student Tyler Antar was there and e-mails his account of what happened.

                          So I went to the John Kerry town hall forum this morning trying to get students registered to vote. I run a student government organization called Chomp the Vote. Anyway I went inside to watch the event. Senator Kerry took the podium and began delivering a speech about the Middle East, Iraq, dimplomacy, etc. Anyway, after he was done, a university ambassador asked Kerry a few premade questions. Once that was over, Senator Kerry announced he would take questions from the students.

                          There were two microphones placed on each side of the aisle. One on my side and the other on Andrew Meyer?s side. Senator Kerry began answering the student?s questions from each aisle. Eventually it was announced that there would only be a few more questions answered. Since Meyer and I were both in the back of each line, it did not seem likely that our questions would be answered.

                          However, while Senator Kerry was responding to a student?s question, all of a sudden Meyer rushed to the microphone with cops in pursuit. At that point no one knew what was going on. Could he have a gun, a bomb?

                          Immediately, Meyer began yelling into the microphone that he had been waiting in line forever and that Senator Kerry should ?spend time to answer everyone?s questions!? Senator Kerry tried to calm the student down by telling him that he would ?stay here as long as it takes to get the questions answered.?

                          The police approached Meyer who began taunting them by saying ?what! are you going to taser me? are you going to arrest me?!? The police grabbed Meyer, but Senator Kerry asked the police to let him go and that he would answer his question. Senator Kerry finished answering the other student?s question and then proceeded with Meyer. (*This entire scene is not in any video I can find so far. This is why 2 cops are seen right behind Meyer at the start of some videos*).

                          Meyer approached the microphone and began to talk about a book he had which stated that Kerry won the 2004 election because of disenfranchisement of black voters and faulty voter machines that produced ?Bush? as the winner. He then posed another question about why President Bush had not been impeached. ?President Clinton was impeached because of a *******, why not Bush??. The third and strangest question he posed to Senator Kerry was asking him if he was part of the skull and bones society with Bush at Yale. Meyer?s mic cut off after that, probably because he had mentioned the word ?*******?. The cops grabbed him, but Meyer was able to get away several times. Eventually more cops were brought in to help subdue Meyer.

                          Meyer continued to resist arrest, scream, curse; however he was enventually subdued by about six cops up around the entrance. As he is on the ground, he is told several times to put his hands around his back. He is also warned that he will be tasered if he does not comply. Eventually he is tasered twice. The video does not show whether he complied or not.

                          Senator Kerry was trying to answer his question to the audience, mostly the one about faulty voter machines. I am a die hard conservative Republican but I do respect Senator Kerry for trying to soothe the situation as best he could and trying not to escalate the situation. He DID intervene by letting the student at least present his question. I never received an opportunity to ask my question, but when Senator Kerry ended the show after the Meyer incident, he did come off stage to shake hands and give autographs. At that point, I was able to ask him my question, shake his hand, and get a autograph at the same time. Now why couldn?t Andrew Meyer do that?

                          I don?t know if this is relevant or not, but Andrew Meyer is a former sports writer for the school newspaper The Alligator. In his columns, he has been known to make ridiculous statements in order to gain attention for himself. Was today a publicity stunt?
                          If this is the true account, kid got what he deserved.
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                            #14
                            There was alot more to the story than what is shown in the video. He was allowed to be heard (not that he should have been anyways. Time and place for everything.) When he started criticizing and pushing out accusations, it was time for him to be escorted out by the police. He could have been charged with disorderly conduct from the start, but they tried to let it slide. When they tried to usher him from the hall and he started pulling away shouting all that crap he stepped into resisting.
                            I would have hit him with the taser a lot sooner than they did.
                            Yes there were 6 cops there, but the same people you are reading who are spouting off with the "bad cop" crap would have been really mouthing off if those 6 cops would have pounded him into a pulp until he limply rolled over to be cuffed.
                            Before people start jumping on the bash-a-cop bandwagon you need to look at all sides of an issue. Next person who wants to mouth off about how it took 6 cops to put someone in cuffs, try it yourself. YOU actually try to get something as small as a set of cuffs on someone who is jacked up on adrenalin and squirming all over the place. DO THAT WHILE TRYING NOT TO HURT THE PRICK!
                            And for the record, the guy was NOT in restraints when he was hit with the taser. He was placed in restraints after realizing that electricity hurts like hell and didnt want to play anymore. The word "OW" is alot nicer sounding than the unmistakable sound of breaking bone or teeth hitting the floor.
                            Sorry for the rant but people have no idea how sick I am of hearing/reading Bad cop this or bad cop that. I have been in Law Enforcement for 11 years now and I hear this kind of crap almost every night. It always comes down to being a bad cop until it is you that is getting jacked by someone or becomes a victim. Then when a cop comes and busts his ass for you, it's "that cop was cool man! That idiot won't be bothering me anymore." Give me a break.
                            There has been more than one time that I have seen someone getting jacked after mouthing off to me only a few days before. I will be honest, there was a second or two that my mind was telling me to let his ass get stomped and let him see me watching it happen. I bet he will have lots to bash me about next week when he can walk again. Do I actually let it happen? No. I put myself in harms way to keep him from taking a bus ride to the E.R. Why? Because it is my job, and because contrary to popular belief from all the bashers out there, we actually do give a damn.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Thrashdragon
                              AFAIK, individual departments' use of force guidelines are the only things that specifically address taser use, since the widespread use of them is fairly new. There's nothing statutory that I'm aware of (although I'm not in that business anymore and could have easily missed it), and while I'm sure there will be some case law at some point, it will probably be on a state-by-state basis and therefore woefully inconsistent anyway. I believe there is a bill being written to prohibit the use of tasers on minors in DOJJ custody, but I'm not aware of anything else that even mentions them.

                              I'm just passing along what the rules were when I worked for a law enforcement agency a couple of years ago, if you want to argue their legality you'll need to look elsewhere.
                              Fair enough. Although I think this is more of a case of what constitutes resisting arrest (I keep finding things for Missouri, nothing for Florida), rather than the use of the taser specifically.

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