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    Chinese missile could shift Pacific power balance - Yahoo! News



    By ERIC TALMADGE, Associated Press Writer Eric Talmadge, Associated Press Writer ? Thu Aug 5, 5:43 pm ET
    ABOARD THE USS GEORGE WASHINGTON ? Nothing projects U.S. global air and sea power more vividly than supercarriers. Bristling with fighter jets that can reach deep into even landlocked trouble zones, America's virtually invincible carrier fleet has long enforced its dominance of the high seas.

    China may soon put an end to that.

    U.S. naval planners are scrambling to deal with what analysts say is a game-changing weapon being developed by China ? an unprecedented carrier-killing missile called the Dong Feng 21D that could be launched from land with enough accuracy to penetrate the defenses of even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 1,500 kilometers (900 miles).

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    EDITOR'S NOTE ? The USS George Washington supercarrier recently deployed off North Korea in a high-profile show of U.S. sea power. AP Tokyo News Editor Eric Talmadge was aboard the carrier, and filed this report.

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    Analysts say final testing of the missile could come as soon as the end of this year, though questions remain about how fast China will be able to perfect its accuracy to the level needed to threaten a moving carrier at sea.

    The weapon, a version of which was displayed last year in a Chinese military parade, could revolutionize China's role in the Pacific balance of power, seriously weakening Washington's ability to intervene in any potential conflict over Taiwan or North Korea. It could also deny U.S. ships safe access to international waters near China's 11,200-mile (18,000-kilometer) -long coastline.

    While a nuclear bomb could theoretically sink a carrier, assuming its user was willing to raise the stakes to atomic levels, the conventionally-armed Dong Feng 21D's uniqueness is in its ability to hit a powerfully defended moving target with pin-point precision.

    The Chinese Defense Ministry did not immediately respond to the AP's request for a comment.

    Funded by annual double-digit increases in the defense budget for almost every year of the past two decades, the Chinese navy has become Asia's largest and has expanded beyond its traditional mission of retaking Taiwan to push its sphere of influence deeper into the Pacific and protect vital maritime trade routes.

    "The Navy has long had to fear carrier-killing capabilities," said Patrick Cronin, senior director of the Asia-Pacific Security Program at the nonpartisan, Washington-based Center for a New American Security. "The emerging Chinese antiship missile capability, and in particular the DF 21D, represents the first post-Cold War capability that is both potentially capable of stopping our naval power projection and deliberately designed for that purpose."

    Setting the stage for a possible conflict, Beijing has grown increasingly vocal in its demands for the U.S. to stay away from the wide swaths of ocean ? covering much of the Yellow, East and South China seas ? where it claims exclusivity.

    It strongly opposed plans to hold U.S.-South Korean war games in the Yellow Sea off the northeastern Chinese coast, saying the participation of the USS George Washington supercarrier, with its 1,092-foot (333-meter) flight deck and 6,250 personnel, would be a provocation because it put Beijing within striking range of U.S. F-18 warplanes.

    The carrier instead took part in maneuvers held farther away in the Sea of Japan.

    U.S. officials deny Chinese pressure kept it away, and say they will not be told by Beijing where they can operate.

    "We reserve the right to exercise in international waters anywhere in the world," Rear Adm. Daniel Cloyd, who headed the U.S. side of the exercises, said aboard the carrier during the maneuvers, which ended last week.

    But the new missile, if able to evade the defenses of a carrier and of the vessels sailing with it, could undermine that policy.

    "China can reach out and hit the U.S. well before the U.S. can get close enough to the mainland to hit back," said Toshi Yoshihara, an associate professor at the U.S. Naval War College. He said U.S. ships have only twice been that vulnerable ? against Japan in World War II and against Soviet bombers in the Cold War.

    Carrier-killing missiles "could have an enduring psychological effect on U.S. policymakers," he e-mailed to The AP. "It underscores more broadly that the U.S. Navy no longer rules the waves as it has since the end of World War II. The stark reality is that sea control cannot be taken for granted anymore."

    Yoshihara said the weapon is causing considerable consternation in Washington, though ? with attention focused on land wars in Afghanistan and Iraq ? its implications haven't been widely discussed in public.

    Analysts note that while much has been made of China's efforts to ready a carrier fleet of its own, it would likely take decades to catch U.S. carrier crews' level of expertise, training and experience.

    But Beijing does not need to match the U.S. carrier for carrier. The Dong Feng 21D, smarter, and vastly cheaper, could successfully attack a U.S. carrier, or at least deter it from getting too close.

    U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned of the threat in a speech last September at the Air Force Association Convention.

    "When considering the military-modernization programs of countries like China, we should be concerned less with their potential ability to challenge the U.S. symmetrically ? fighter to fighter or ship to ship ? and more with their ability to disrupt our freedom of movement and narrow our strategic options," he said.

    Gates said China's investments in cyber and anti-satellite warfare, anti-air and anti-ship weaponry, along with ballistic missiles, "could threaten America's primary way to project power" through its forward air bases and carrier strike groups.

    The Pentagon has been worried for years about China getting an anti-ship ballistic missile. The Pentagon considers such a missile an "anti-access," weapon, meaning that it could deny others access to certain areas.

    The Air Force's top surveillance and intelligence officer, Lt. Gen. David Deptula, told reporters this week that China's effort to increase anti-access capability is part of a worrisome trend.

    He did not single out the DF 21D, but said: "While we might not fight the Chinese, we may end up in situations where we'll certainly be opposing the equipment that they build and sell around the world."

    Questions remain over when ? and if ? China will perfect the technology; hitting a moving carrier is no mean feat, requiring state-of-the-art guidance systems, and some experts believe it will take China a decade or so to field a reliable threat. Others, however, say final tests of the missile could come in the next year or two.

    Former Navy commander James Kraska, a professor of international law and sea power at the U.S. Naval War College, recently wrote a controversial article in the magazine Orbis outlining a hypothetical scenario set just five years from now in which a Deng Feng 21D missile with a penetrator warhead sinks the USS George Washington.

    That would usher in a "new epoch of international order in which Beijing emerges to displace the United States."

    While China's Defense Ministry never comments on new weapons before they become operational, the DF 21D ? which would travel at 10 times the speed of sound and carry conventional payloads ? has been much discussed by military buffs online.

    A pseudonymous article posted on Xinhuanet, website of China's official news agency, imagines the U.S. dispatching the George Washington to aid Taiwan against a Chinese attack.

    The Chinese would respond with three salvos of DF 21D, the first of which would pierce the hull, start fires and shut down flight operations, the article says. The second would knock out its engines and be accompanied by air attacks. The third wave, the article says, would "send the George Washington to the bottom of the ocean."

    Comments on the article were mostly positive.

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    AP writer Christopher Bodeen in Beijing and National Security Writer Anne Gearan in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.


    #2
    Our time as the "sole super power" is drawing to a close. With more states in bankruptcy than not...with two wars in progress and no tax increase or means to pay for them...while trying to pull out of a recession...and in the meantime China, with how many times our population? spending cash hand over fist on this kind of stuff. Does it make sense anymore to try to police the world (and whose interests does such action really serve [certainly not those who fight]?)? How many empires have broken their backs by spreading theirselves too thin (oh, I'm guessing here: all of them). Maybe the time has come when we should focus on our own hemisphere (alternative fuel technologies would be huge in this mission), rebuild our nation before we try to rebuild other unwilling nations to our liking.

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      #3
      I'm not a fan of isolationism. Not least of which is because there are at least half a dozen raw materials vital to defense and our economy that just aren't found in the Western Hemisphere.

      While I don't personally believe this particular missile will live up to expectation, certainly now in the short term, this type of article is illustrative of why China is a threat, and much more of a threat than most Americans realize.

      -Rand

      P.S. Keep this thread civil please. It could easily become a candidate to move to the Battlegrounds.
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        I agree with Rand on all his points... especially the last P.S. one.
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          Originally posted by Rand{CLR} View Post
          I'm not a fan of isolationism. Not least of which is because there are at least half a dozen raw materials vital to defense and our economy that just aren't found in the Western Hemisphere.

          While I don't personally believe this particular missile will live up to expectation, certainly now in the short term, this type of article is illustrative of why China is a threat, and much more of a threat than most Americans realize.

          -Rand

          P.S. Keep this thread civil please. It could easily become a candidate to move to the Battlegrounds.
          I understand what you are saying, Rand, and our country wasn't struggling so much at the moment I would probably agree. But, for instance, here's something from today's news: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/07/us...nted=1&_r=1&hp

          Plenty of businesses and governments furloughed workers this year, but Hawaii went further — it furloughed its schoolchildren. Public schools across the state closed on 17 Fridays during the past school year to save money, giving students the shortest academic year in the nation and sending working parents scrambling to find care for them.

          Many transit systems have cut service to make ends meet, but Clayton County, Ga., a suburb of Atlanta, decided to cut all the way, and shut down its entire public bus system. Its last buses ran on March 31, stranding 8,400 daily riders.

          Even public safety has not been immune to the budget ax. In Colorado Springs, the downturn will be remembered, quite literally, as a dark age: the city switched off a third of its 24,512 streetlights to save money on electricity, while trimming its police force and auctioning off its police helicopters.

          Faced with the steepest and longest decline in tax collections on record, state, county and city governments have resorted to major life-changing cuts in core services like education, transportation and public safety that, not too long ago, would have been unthinkable. And services in many areas could get worse before they get better.
          I say cutting back on education will weaken us, in the long run, as much or more than losing access to some of these resources. Also cutting back on police forces at a time of high unemployment...and cutting public transportation sure isn't going to help the unemployed find/get to work or the underemployed either. I'm not suggesting total isolationism, but really, I do believe that we need to pull back quite a bit and take care of our country before things get even further out of hand. Once the snowball starts rolling down the hill....

          And as far as competition goes:

          China's population: 1,339,060,000

          Our population: 309,913,000

          If you take nukes away, they could practically fight us off with sticks.

          That's all I'll say for now. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but just trying to provide some rationalization for my earlier statements. The world is changing. Our hold on the best technology will not last forever. I'm just saying that it might be time to rethink some things.

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            #6
            Pulling back from a global economy won't help us get our house in order any faster. That said, I think we could benefit from a lot less outsourcing. Can you imagine what happens to the economy if (when) Pakistan and India have their little nuclear war and the hubs of our outsourced economy are hit?

            I'm well aware of the technology point. There's an arrogance about Americans where many people believe we have some sort of manifest right to be on top. Problem is, in many areas we're already lagging. Just looking at one common area--HDTV. Japan was all HD a full decade before us. Americans have to realize we don't have a right to be on top because we're America and that technological innovation isn't limited to us. Unless people start realizing this, we're going to get passed in a lot of areas by mid-century.

            And for all we know, someone out there could have invented something like working, sustainable fusion reactors or, at an extreme, a faster-than-light drive technology. We're not the only country with geniuses.

            China's numbers don't bother me. Their technology, rising economy and economic influence, and the fact they are solely purposed on creating a modern military uniquely designed to take advantage of our weaknesses does. Manpower alone doesn't mean anything: in Korea our K : D ratios were somewhere in the neighborhood of 20, 30, even 50-1 in most engagements.

            -Rand
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              Heh, this may be a trigger to drive this thread into the Battlegrounds in and of itself...


              You know one way to begin an economic recovery that will lead to this country staying at the top of the world economic pyramid? A true committment to sustainability and "green" technologies. Not just alternate fuels, but the whole shebang. This is one of the true growth areas this century, and the leaders here in both integration into their own country and exporting to others are going to be huge players in the global market.

              -Rand (sitting back and waiting for the Gore/Granola bashing to commense... )
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                Originally posted by Rand{CLR} View Post
                Heh, this may be a trigger to drive this thread into the Battlegrounds in and of itself...


                You know one way to begin an economic recovery that will lead to this country staying at the top of the world economic pyramid? A true committment to sustainability and "green" technologies. Not just alternate fuels, but the whole shebang. This is one of the true growth areas this century, and the leaders here in both integration into their own country and exporting to others are going to be huge players in the global market.

                -Rand (sitting back and waiting for the Gore/Granola bashing to commense... )
                I agree 100%. If anyone thinks we can continue polluting at current rates as the population grows exponentially without repercussions that make wars look like small potatoes, well, I guess I wouldn't know what to say...and that's not even looking at the economic benefits for tech that people are literally dying for.

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