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    BBC News - Self-steering bullet researched by US weapons experts

    31 January 2012 Last updated at 11:57 ET Share this pageEmail Print Share this page

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    A self-guiding bullet that can steer itself towards its target is being developed for use by the US military.

    The bullet uses tiny fins to correct the course of its flight allowing it to hit laser-illuminated targets.

    It is designed to be capable of hitting objects at distances of about 2km (1.24 miles). Work on a prototype suggests that accuracy is best at longer ranges.

    A think tank says the tech is well-suited to snipers, but worries about it being marketed to the public.

    Work on the project is being carried out by an Albuquerque-based subsidiary of defence contractor Lockheed Martin on behalf of the US government.

    The current prototype involves a 4in (10cm) bullet which includes an optical sensor in its nose to detect the laser. This information is then processed and used to move motors within the bullet which steer tiny fins, altering the ammunition's path.

    "We can make corrections 30 times per second," said researcher Red Jones.

    "That means we can over-correct, so we don't have to be as precise each time."

    Accuracy

    The team has carried out both field tests and computer simulations, and says "engineering issues" remain. However, they add that they are confident of bringing the product to market.

    Experts say there would be great demand for the innovation on the battlefield.

    "One of the big successes in Libya was that the accuracy of the munitions used was much higher than in previous campaigns," Elizabeth Quintana, senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute think tank told the BBC.

    "97% of Nato's weapons hit their target to within about 2m (6.5ft). But that was achieved through air munitions.

    "This would be a revolution for ground forces, and may help further cut down on civilian casualties in future conflicts."

    Unlike most bullets the self-guided prototype minimises spin, aiming to fly like a dart.


    Researchers say special gunpowder may be needed to help the bullet achieve faster speeds Normally small calibre rifle bullets are spun at over 2,000 revolutions per second to stabilise their flightpath and maximise speed.

    But the team's patent application notes that previous attempts to create self-guiding rapidly-spinning bullets ran into the problem that the electronics required became too complicated.

    To simplify things the researchers moved the bullet's centre of gravity further forward than it would normally be.

    When combined with the fins this caused it to only spin a few revolutions per second, making it easier to steer. Because the bullet's motion settles the longer it is in flight, the researchers say its accuracy improves at longer ranges.

    Tests with commercially available gunpowder have measured the bullet reaching just over twice the speed of sound (2,400ft per second), which is still below standard military speeds.

    But the researchers say they are confident that they can increase its velocity with customised gunpowder.

    Terrorism

    A press release said that: "Potential customers include the military, law enforcement and recreational shooters."

    That concerns some industry watchers.

    "The public may be uncomfortable with the implications of people being able to use this without needing to have a sight line to the target - you could see this having terrorist uses," said Ms Quintana.

    "There's talk of selling to recreational hunters, but I would imagine the authorities would want to limit the public's access to this kind of technology.

    "But it would be useful for law enforcement - particularly in hostage situations."

    #2
    Anything that gives such an advantage should never be kept from the public. I don't care what the consequences!
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      #3
      Real life haxxor rounds!
      Old school or the new, doesn't mean a thing if your heart's not true...

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        #4
        Originally posted by DougBob View Post
        Anything that gives such an advantage should never be kept from the public. I don't care what the consequences!
        Agreed. As if 300 winmag, 338 Lapua, etc. with good optics are not enough of an advantage for hunters. There would be no good reason to give any untrained shooter this kind of reach and accuracy...scary thought, in fact.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Skud View Post
          Agreed. As if 300 winmag, 338 Lapua, etc. with good optics are not enough of an advantage for hunters. There would be no good reason to give any untrained shooter this kind of reach and accuracy...scary thought, in fact.
          At such distances its not called hunting anymore IMO. The people I know who bow hunt say that when the arrow head hits the animal the fletchings should be at your finger tips. I hope to be this good one day.

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            #6
            Originally posted by goldenfooler View Post
            The people I know who bow hunt say that when the arrow head hits the animal the fletchings should be at your finger tips. I hope to be this good one day.
            Sounds like a folk tale. Might as well use a knife.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Skud View Post
              Sounds like a folk tale. Might as well use a knife.
              They are VERY VERY good. They also do alot of teaching. The owner has in the past taught the SEAL teams, he wouldn't say if he is still teaching them. After 911 he suddenly moved his house to florida...

              I have done a scout class and lets just say we never saw the people that were tracking us for a week. Just saw the jokes they did to us when our back was turned.

              A movie was made of one of his stories. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunted_(2003_film)

              http://www.trackerschool.com

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                #8
                Originally posted by goldenfooler View Post
                They are VERY VERY good. They also do alot of teaching. The owner has in the past taught the SEAL teams, he wouldn't say if he is still teaching them. After 911 he suddenly moved his house to florida...

                I have done a scout class and lets just say we never saw the people that were tracking us for a week. Just saw the jokes they did to us when our back was turned.

                A movie was made of one of his stories. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunted_(2003_film)

                http://www.trackerschool.com
                I guess so. I would like to see a video of someone drawing, holding it long enough for the deer to be arm's length, aiming the whole time, I'm guessing, then letting go (of course the bow would get a little messed up-maybe your hands too-if the arrowhead made contact while your the fletchings still touch your hands...not to mention the reduced power from an incomplete launch. Just seems impracticle and unlikely to me.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Skud View Post
                  I guess so. I would like to see a video of someone drawing, holding it long enough for the deer to be arm's length, aiming the whole time, I'm guessing, then letting go (of course the bow would get a little messed up-maybe your hands too-if the arrowhead made contact while your the fletchings still touch your hands...not to mention the reduced power from an incomplete launch. Just seems impracticle and unlikely to me.
                  With a hand made bow you don't hold very long especially compared to a compound or synthic bow. Besides if you have problems with hitting something an arm length away you need alot of practice.

                  Wouldn't power be reduce once the arrow leaves the string?

                  I don't take it literally that the fletchings should be hitting your fingers but the idea that you should be an arms length from the animal.

                  Not 500 meters away sitting in a stand with salt and female animals in heat urine all over the place. That to me is marksmenship not hunting.

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                    #10
                    CLOSE, but not arms length.
                    I've done abit of bow hunting, have killed 3 deer.
                    40 yards max, and closer is better.
                    I've had guys hit farther out, but that's with the smaller cut down arrows. Needs to penetrate far enough in for the head to bleed them out
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by goldenfooler View Post
                      With a hand made bow you don't hold very long especially compared to a compound or synthic bow. Besides if you have problems with hitting something an arm length away you need alot of practice.

                      Wouldn't power be reduce once the arrow leaves the string?

                      I don't take it literally that the fletchings should be hitting your fingers but the idea that you should be an arms length from the animal.

                      Not 500 meters away sitting in a stand with salt and female animals in heat urine all over the place. That to me is marksmenship not hunting.

                      Hitting a bale of hay at arms length would be easy: hitting a deer would not. Basically you have to draw when they cannot see you, hence the having to draw and wait, especially for something less than 15 feet...and the closer you want it, the longer you have to wait. Accuracy is not the problem: getting the shot off is. Any movement, sound or scent from you brings all if the deer's senses into focus on you. Try to draw and get off a shot at that point. You're not talking about confounding an old man on a park bench....

                      It helps to ease my mind, however, when you said you aren't taking the fletching-touching-finger part literally. That would truly be miraculous, unless the thing was charging. I would like to see a vid.

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                        #12
                        A friend was taking a no.2, had gun leaning against tree he was leaning against while doing business. Here comes deer.

                        Deer goes behind tree that he is at, he grabs gun, pokes it at deer when it comes around tree, Boom. Kills deer, but since he didn't have gun at shoulder, it hits him in the jaw and knocks out one of his teeth... Win Win in his book.. He wasn't any looker.
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                          #13
                          lol, some deer are smart some are very stupid.
                          Also deer have bad eyesight and do better with hearing. I have seen someone very slowly walk up to a deer and touch him... scared the deer.

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