England is becoming really upsetting.

[GeneralSnake]

The sad thing is, is that it isn't really gang mentality or gang violence. It is restricted to a group of people that follow a trend, just like Emo, Goth etc. Only this time there isn't just music and dress code but a really bad attitude to everything. These groups of kids are not specifically white only, black only etc. Just groups of idiots spanning all races that make the lives of honest hard working folk a living hell, and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

You are talking about the english gangs right?

[juneau]

The sad thing is, is that it isn't really gang mentality or gang violence. It is restricted to a group of people that follow a trend, just like Emo, Goth etc. Only this time there isn't just music and dress code but a really bad attitude to everything. These groups of kids are not specifically white only, black only etc. Just groups of idiots spanning all races that make the lives of honest hard working folk a living hell, and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

You are talking about the english gangs right?

Nope just gangs in general.



Oh the things i would love to do to these lot.

[killa_zn]

what i see in that picture isnt a gang, but just a bunch of kids with bad influence..

[juneau]

what i see in that picture isnt a gang, but just a bunch of kids with bad influence..

And that's exactly what it is Killa.

[baconoclock]

wow, that pic is nuts. If what theyre drinking is alcohol (assuming here but thats probably a safe bet ) they dont even look old enough to shave!

[Rand{CLR}]

If that is representative of UK youth gangs, you REALLY don't want to see gangs in the U.S., let alone parts of central and south America.

If a branch of M.S. 13 were to have a group shot, there would be all sorts of things shown there that would show the differences. Such as the machetes they use to hack off the hands of former members and in attacks on other gangs. That particular gang has a large presence in the D.C. region.

-Rand

[juneau]

If that is representative of UK youth gangs, you REALLY don't want to see gangs in the U.S., let alone parts of central and south America.

If a branch of M.S. 13 were to have a group shot, there would be all sorts of things shown there that would show the differences. Such as the machetes they use to hack off the hands of former members and in attacks on other gangs. That particular gang has a large presence in the D.C. region.

-Rand

But imagine if 60% of US youths aged between 13-21 made up those gangs. That's how bad it is here. I wouldn't be suprised if at least half of the above are carrying some sort of blade either.

They don't fight other gangs because other gangs are just like them. They find some poor unsuspecting soul and proceed to use their head as a football..... for fun.

Good kids are becoming a very small minority. Seeing a normal kid in England these days is few and far between.

[GeneralSnake]

That is a very bad number Jun, but atleast they dont have real dangerous weapons. The average weapon here is a 9mm, often made of cheap materials like plastic, so you use it one or two times and throw it away, called a throwaway weapon, say, a throwaway tech9, or throwaway 9mm, etc. And the real baddies pack AKs and grenades. Also, drive bys are pretty bad. We have several in Salinas each year, dont know how many this year but last year, in a "nice" neighborhood, a kid was shot down by a driveby, and many of the rounds went into the houses he was walking by.

[juneau]

That is a very bad number Jun, but atleast they dont have real dangerous weapons. The average weapon here is a 9mm, often made of cheap materials like plastic, so you use it one or two times and throw it away, called a throwaway weapon, say, a throwaway tech9, or throwaway 9mm, etc. And the real baddies pack AKs and grenades. Also, drive bys are pretty bad. We have several in Salinas each year, dont know how many this year but last year, in a "nice" neighborhood, a kid was shot down by a driveby, and many of the rounds went into the houses he was walking by.

First we have an 11 year old boy executed at point blank range earlier in the week

It's getting that way.

[jaspurr]

This was brought home yesterday/ I made a rare visit to our local Tesco and the poor 11 yesr old shot is the night managers son. Really sad

[Dead_And_Gone]

We have the death penalty here in Texas, and we use it.
Under 18 suspected murderers or gangers are often treated as adults in the system.

Admittedly, often 2nd and 3rd chances are given to chronic repeat offenders. We are attempting to toughen the punishments for these people. First mistakes, usually just a slap on the wrist. Assault though is handled with extreme vigor in our court systems here in Texas. Wife beating especially is on the HOT list.

But for those under 18...
You do NOT want to get shipped to an alternative school for problem children. They get put there on a FIRST offence. Any scholarship offers are generally always pulled, and chances of getting one after your term is between slim and None. That is called drastic and life changing repurcusions. Granted, the gang bangers aren't going to BE looking for a college trip for the most part. It just looks bad on a resume that you graduated from XXYY Alternative school. A large majority of businesses are reluctant to hire people that have a known lengthy police record or alternative school time. And yes, with a good lawyer, those records CAN be expunged from the records or sealed if they aren't felony type offenses and under 18. Can get awefully expensive.

I feel for you if the UK's courts have gone all wimpy.
We often discuss the often left wing District 5 courts that have California in it. Some very very strange rulings coming out of there.

[juneau]

It's just happened again a few days ago.

Police have resumed their search for the killers of a 17-year-old boy stabbed to death in the street in east London

Officers are hunting a group of youths seen fleeing the scene in Chesterford Road, Newham, just before midnight on Thursday.

Neighbours said they heard shouting and swearing in the street shortly before the teenager was found injured.

Scotland Yard said the murder is not linked to gang violence and officers are investigating whether the victim knew his attackers.

Paramedics called to the residential area found the teenager with a stab wound. He was pronounced dead soon afterwards.

Two 16-year-old boys arrested in connection with the murder were being held at an east London police station on Friday night.

[baconoclock]

Another one.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1770&ct=5