What is the world coming to?

[Trooper110]

I don't see anyone trying to enforce any opinions...I see a rational discussion so far. I wouldn't go so far as to tell anyone that they have to do something, let alone that they should. Just remember, you can teach your kid your opinion, but you have to teach them to think for themselves as well so they can make good rational decisions outside any situation that you may have thought to speak with them about.

[Thrashdragon]

Avoiding the discussion isn't protecting anyone?

I'm not avoiding the discussion at all. I don't choose for anyone except my kids what discussions are for their eyes. Gay sex is discussed too but it isn't for my kids because I oversee that it isn't.

I'm not saying that you're avoiding it, but you suggested it shouldn't be discussed here because a kid might see it. Bear in mind it was a minor that started this thread...obviously he's already been exposed to it.

I have to ask you... how many kids do you have?

None, and I don't plan on having any. I have two little nieces and two little nephews whose lives I am heavily involved in. I'm the Weird Uncle with the long hair and the loud music.

Any parent will tell you that they'd rather wait till the time is right to discuss certain things with their child.

Agreed. However, if a minor is old enough to frequent a forum based on games about running around and shooting each other, there is no way they have not been exposed to discussions about drugs.

My kids already know that doing drugs is bad for them and to tell me or their teacher if someone tries to give drugs to them. Then on the other hand, they could happen upon this forum or one like it where adults are discussing their use of a controlled substance, the feeling they get from it and how good it is, and all of the side effects of it and how it should be legalized. What their immature minds do not comprehend are the long term effects and risks involved that could cripple their futures if they took the advice of others who condone it.

I don't think anyone here has advocated either using it or preached how wonderful they think it is, merely stated that they either do or have used it, and that it's no worse than alcohol when taken in moderation. Granted, kids shouldn't be doing either one, but realistically they will.

I can tell you this much... I know it is inevitable that my kids will encounter a situation where drugs are involved. I only pray that they make the right decision.

And that's all you can do. At some point you just have to hope, because their friends and their environment become much bigger influences than their parents. That was my point about parenting earlier.

I should also pray for the poor poor soul who says it is okay for them to try it.... and for your sake I hope it isn't you!

I can empathize with that (and it wouldn't be me, I don't associate with kids I'm not related to, and it wouldn't be my place to tell any child what to do). Plus, I only occasionally experimented with it over a two year period almost 20 years ago. I'm not one to go out and preach the wonders of something I personally found boring.

However, I've seen plenty of college kids locked up for having a joint in their car. What good does that do anyone? He was no danger to society, and now his life is ruined. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

I don't advocate doing it, but I don't see the point in criminalizing it for those that choose to partake. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

[-IRC-MIKE]

Absolutely a good point. A child did start this thread (we think unless vito was under Bran's name again) and evidently he's been taught by good judgement. His pointing out the subject on a myspace page and openly discussing how absurd it is goes to show us his outlook on the subject. I never said anyone here was trying to force their opinion, I just said if I used drugs that I would hope I had better sense.... It just floors me how he posted how absurd the advertisement was only to receive feedback on how it should be legalized. I have been known and admittedly drink a beer now and then..sometimes several, but I don't come here saying it is okay and it should be legal for everyone to do it. I also said that it is not my place to decide what should and shouldn't be discussed, but using some judgement on the subject out of respect for the situation is the point I am trying to make.

[Evil_T0NY {CLR}]

Interesting.

I recently had a job interview, and I had to fill out a series of Ethical questions for the Human Resources Dept.

I suppose it's to give you an idea of what your ethics and personality is like.

I got questions like this, they are "Agree disagree" questions

1. "If a worker smokes pot on his lunch break, and returns to work, and this is known, should he be fired?"




2. I don’t believe an individual who smokes marijuana once a week has a drug problem.



3. Some people work as well slightly high as they do sober.
Disagree

4. I experiment with drugs, but it never affects my job.

5. Smoking a marijuana cigarette is the same as having a drink.

6. These days almost everyone experiments with marijuana.

Okay ,those who use Marijuana....would you tell the employer what they wanted to hear, or would you proudly defend mary jane even in your employment process?

This is for an I.T. position.

[Hammy]

Interesting.

I recently had a job interview, and I had to fill out a series of Ethical questions for the Human Resources Dept.

I suppose it's to give you an idea of what your ethics and personality is like.

I got questions like this, they are "Agree disagree" questions

1. "If a worker smokes pot on his lunch break, and returns to work, and this is known, should he be fired?"




2. I don?t believe an individual who smokes marijuana once a week has a drug problem.



3. Some people work as well slightly high as they do sober.
Disagree

4. I experiment with drugs, but it never affects my job.

5. Smoking a marijuana cigarette is the same as having a drink.

6. These days almost everyone experiments with marijuana.

Okay ,those who use Marijuana....would you tell the employer what they wanted to hear, or would you proudly defend mary jane even in your employment process?

This is for an I.T. position.

I dont think that they can legally force you to answer any of these questions, to be honest with you. They are somewhat incriminating in themselves and I would simply ask for a different set so that your context of answer were not misinterpreted.

~Hammy

[Evil_T0NY {CLR}]

I dont think that they can legally force you to answer any of these questions, to be honest with you. They are somewhat incriminating in themselves and I would simply ask for a different set so that your context of answer were not misinterpreted.

~Hammy

How they are incriminating themselves? I mean, according to their policy, it's a "Drug Free" workplace. And I think I would be required to take a drug test upon being hired as well.

They have the right to ask such questions. After all, it's a right-to-work state.

They make the rules, they have the rights, they hold the cards. It's either answer the questions, or find another employer.

[Apache Warrior]

They came out with these types of tests to replace the polygraph. Back in the 1980's most large companies would require a polygraph during the interview process. After that was ruled illegal they resorted to these tests to try and get a handle on the prospective employees honesty.
A company I used to work for used to give polygraphs to employees once a year. One of the guys I worked who was in sales told them he couldn't believe that they would give a polygraph test to professional liars.
Apache

[Rovey Wade]

I am not saying the lesser of the two evils is okay... Having a beer after I cut the lawn on a hot afternoon is MUCH DIFFERENT than smoking a big fat one. First off .. I am not breaking the law.

In an argument about legalization, you can't use the fact that marijuana is illegal as an argument...

[Evil_T0NY {CLR}]

In an argument about legalization, you can't use the fact that marijuana is illegal as an argument...

Sure, but we can sure use the fact employers won't hire your butt though, even if it's legalized, right?

[Hammy]

How they are incriminating themselves? I mean, according to their policy, it's a "Drug Free" workplace. And I think I would be required to take a drug test upon being hired as well.

They have the right to ask such questions. After all, it's a right-to-work state.

They make the rules, they have the rights, they hold the cards. It's either answer the questions, or find another employer.

Incriminating to you, in terms of how they view you and the prescedence it sets for future dealings with you. It also removes certain rights from you if you answer any of these questions contrary to your own personal experiences.

Example:
Statement- I have never condoned the use of marijuana.
Answer - Agree

What happens is that if anyone can prove that you lied regarding this question, they can simply can you on the spot without compensation or benefit.

A fake example is: what if your college roommate was a notorious pot dealer on campus- and it somehow comes out that you roomed with him. Perhaps you had the will power to never inhale, but it wont really matter at that point, thanks to the ambiguous nature of the list of question examples you gave us.

Most of these employment contracts are "at Will" here in California, that is they can terminate you for any reason at anytime, so long as it is not based on any of the major prejudicial protections (race, color, religion, sex, and a few others). But if you forge or falsify your credentials at anytime, you can be liable for damages to your employer, which can include paying back some of your wages, salary, benefits, and or bonus payments.

I'd object simply on the grounds of it being noted before I answer the questions so that if this happens in one shape or form or another, you have a platform to stand on in court.

[GeneralSnake]

I am not saying the lesser of the two evils is okay... Having a beer after I cut the lawn on a hot afternoon is MUCH DIFFERENT than smoking a big fat one. First off .. I am not breaking the law. Secondly ONE beer is not going to intoxicate me to the point of irrational judgement...One joint will. Lastly, you say you were old enough to make logical decisions at the ripe old age of 15... evidently not true if you went "off track".

P.S. there are some places where alcohol is still illegal.. right here in the US. I used to live in a dry county.

How will one joint make you have irrational judgment? That is quite the overstatement.
And just like Thrash said, I would much rather be in a car with someone who has had a joint than a beer.
You are far more impaired from alcohol than you are from marijuana. FAR more. I have never had double vision from marijuana, I have never gotten marijuana poisoning(no such thing, it isnt poison, alcohol is) and had to go get my stomach pumped, I have never blacked out and done something I would later regret from marijuana. If taken in excess, marijuana will not make you puke your guts out.
It is safer in just about every way, if not every way, except for the fact that sometimes you may have to go to shady places and shady people to get it, but if it were legal, you could go to your local market and get it. If it were legal, it would probably be cheaper and not laced, which would allow people to save some of their money for food if they are seriously that addicted that they would rather smoke than eat or have their kids eat.

But, alcohol will do ALL of those things and more.

[-IRC-MIKE]

In an argument about legalization, you can't use the fact that marijuana is illegal as an argument...

In an argument about legalization where someone states that it is no different for me to beer as it is if they smoked a joint.. yeah .. I can pretty much use the argument.

I've also seen one toke that makes some have irrational behavior. Just because you're used to going through an ounce a week doesn't mean everyone can tolerate that amount. Just like one beer can make some feel tipsy.

[GeneralSnake]

I hope you arent referring to me going through an ounce a week. For the last time, I do NOT smoke. That is a great point though MIKE, tolerance does have a massive effect.
What would you describe as irrational behavior from marijuana? What did the person that took one toke that you saw do that was irrational?

[-IRC-MIKE]

Well for beginners, the person couldn't carry on a sensible conversation. She was scared to death because she thought she couldn't move her arms and wanted someone to call an ambulance and wouldn't take no for an answer. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't witnessed it myself but I know the girl and she wasn't playing around. If that isn't irrational then please, by all means, define it. From what I gathered, it must have been some pretty good stuff at 175.00 /quarter. The people who had it said it was called "barney rubble".

[Thrashdragon]

Interesting.

I recently had a job interview, and I had to fill out a series of Ethical questions for the Human Resources Dept.

I suppose it's to give you an idea of what your ethics and personality is like.

I got questions like this, they are "Agree disagree" questions

1. "If a worker smokes pot on his lunch break, and returns to work, and this is known, should he be fired?"




2. I don?t believe an individual who smokes marijuana once a week has a drug problem.



3. Some people work as well slightly high as they do sober.
Disagree

4. I experiment with drugs, but it never affects my job.

5. Smoking a marijuana cigarette is the same as having a drink.

6. These days almost everyone experiments with marijuana.

Okay ,those who use Marijuana....would you tell the employer what they wanted to hear, or would you proudly defend mary jane even in your employment process?

This is for an I.T. position.

Geez...do companies still ask these inane questions? The last time I saw anything like this was the last time I worked for a really big company (Universal Studios), but that was a long time ago...I had hoped they had outgrown asking idiotic questions like this. No matter what your opinion on any given subject is, everyone is going to answer with what the company wants to hear.

At this point in my life, if a job interview asked me questions like that, I think I'd just laugh, get up and leave. I'd find it insulting as a professional to have some HR weenie ask me this...that looks like something you'd get in a McDonald's interview.