How many snipers??

[Dr.Campinstien]

Wow, I'm not sure I want to chime in because I really like you fellas. It's pretty simple for me, I use a sniper class most times to move and get squad up to my point. With the limit as I saw last night there was never a time I could use it. Sucks
I'm can't complain too loud cause its your server and I"ll make do with. You guys will find some middle ground but it was just the first night. The lag seems to be more of n issue anyways?
Just my thoughts so you know I will support your decisions while I am in your server. Camp

[{CLR} Cobalt]

I see a huge problem with having someone's recon stolen while he's respwaning. If there was a plugin that states the recon limit inside the respawn screen and then let them keep it for as long as they want, I'd be up for it. I do think we should have kept it for just a tad bit longer. I mean server was full for quite a bit of time yesterday.

Yep, the only ones complaining are the you know who's. And they are in the minority.

Look, you will hardly ever have people come in and say they appreciate a limited recon server. They just arent that vocal about it. They appreciate it but just dont say anything. But they far outnumber the ones that complain it is limited.

Cain, maybe if you found another plugin. Maybe I'll ask around and see whats out there.

[SIR Rossy]

I see a huge problem with having someone's recon stolen while he's respwaning. If there was a plugin that states the recon limit inside the respawn screen and then let them keep it for as long as they want, I'd be up for it. I do think we should have kept it for just a tad bit longer. I mean server was full for quite a bit of time yesterday.

Agree with you mate if there was one like that i cant see a problem really.

[Caddys83]

I feel much better. Snipers uprawr makes the world go woot woot

[{CLR} Cobalt]

I feel much better. Snipers uprawr makes the world go woot woot

I'm almost certain you didnt take your medicine this morning. And when the short bus came by, you weren't ready to go.

[{CLR} Cobalt]

One other item. I just checked in on another server that ran limited recon. They are 32/32 with 1 waiting to get in. At 10:55 in the morning on Thursday.And they are runnin all the maps, not just 3 or 4.

Mainly big props to Ironman, who's idea of a limited recon server is why it remains full... we've mainly been playing in conquest.

We just didnt give it enough time.

[K PhaNTOM]

Slow down, Cobalt.

[{CLR} Cobalt]

Slow down, Cobalt.

Look, I love all you guys (not in the gay way) and I'm just trying to make a point about what would be ultimately best for the server as a whole. Thats all I've ever done with any suggestion I've made about anything. If anyone thinks otherwise, I'm sorry,they are just wrong.

And one other thing, go back and look at the stats and tell me what other player has logged as many hours on this game, in this server, as I have.

It irks the hell outta me when some come in here with limited time even in game to tell me what is what. Aint nobody foolin me about nothin. I want this place to be the best on the planet and am ultimately trying my best to help get it that way and keep it that way. But some just cant see what I'm trying to do.

I cant say with surety if a day will ever come that I cant take it anymore and the frustration level will be more than I can take. Maybe I just try too hard to help this place succeed. Maybe I should just STFU and move on and let the mullets have the place. I just dont know. I'm sure there are some on here that would like me to do just that.

Bottom line is that I'm just trying to help. Thats all.

[Brian is Huh?!{CLR}]

Like I said in the past, I don't care too much about snipers. What I do care about is half your team becoming snipers just to sit at the spawn or go maybe 5 feet from the spawn just to snipe.

I find it funny that the only people that were complaining about the change were the snipers.

But if it didn't really change anything Apache, I don't see the point in trying to find a way to limit the class now haha

If we could get rid of the people that like to just run around and sit at the spawn, it'd be awesome. Snipers really need to get closer to the action if they're going to take a slot in the squad. That's all I've got to point out.

Not sure if its possible, to edit the baseraping script, but how about editting the boundaries.. lets say atm the script is set to 25m from base you cant shoot... then rather edit it to 50m from base. iunno, i know theres a better script for limiting recons.

Well boys, you wanted it so get in there, play and let me know how it works, and if it makes the gameplay any different !!

It worked! gameplay was totally different. more HEAT in the game, more firefight in the game. less bush monkeys camping on the top of the hill have tea time.
but only 5% of the lair complained and 95% of us likes it.. and you gave in. *hmph*


To Cain:
Im sure its possible. Why cant you let the team orientated players play conquest with LIMITED recons, So we can have our fun. All the moaners can go play RUSH. Make
another server "RUSH" since it a TDM style game mode and have that one play like it should,They could rule the rush server with their sniping. If they want to whine about limit recons they can go play RUSH. Conquest(Capture the Flag) is a teamplay game mode, where players actually move up to the capture/target points to win.
80% of the CLRs like "TEAMPLAY" thats what makes BF games so much. Unlike CoD where u just run n gun. Im agreeing 110% with Cobalt. Majority of us likes the idea of limiting the recon, but only very very very few of other players moan about it. And you give in. If people are slaying other players for recon kit. our trusty admins should handle the job.

[TheSilentAssassin]

I'm almost certain you didnt take your medicine this morning. And when the short bus came by, you weren't ready to go.

Oh snap lol

[mapes]

First off thanks Cain for giving it a try and also spending the time. I agree the plugin implementation kinda sucks. At least I got to play half a round... Hopefully a better plugin will get made and we can give it another go later

[Mooserator]

First off thanks Cain for giving it a try and also spending the time. I agree the plugin implementation kinda sucks. At least I got to play half a round... Hopefully a better plugin will get made and we can give it another go later

+1. Thanks Cain! Action was fun, server was full, and play was MUCH more team oriented.

Personally, I see no problem with an occasional auto-kill when someone dies and tries to spawn (or re-spawn) as a sniper. That is the basis of the script. If a player is unwilling to switch kits, even if they were a sniper before being killed, then I don't care to play with them anyways. After all, CTF team play is about spawning with your squad and taking objectives...not re-spawning as a monkey and finding a new tree to hump.

[Cain]

Thx Moose and Mapes.

My servers are for the people who play there, I rarely play these days, so I want it to be as full and as much fun as possible.

OK, gang I'll give this another go tonight. I will try 4 recon per team, that really should be enough for legit Recon players.

Let's see how that works, and if I get an opportunity I will hop in and see exactly how this plugin works.



I'm getting mixed messages from some of you. On one hand some say you hate being killed by snipers, then on the other hand you say that you hate snipers on your own team, because you believe all recon players are lone wolfs not interested in team objectives.

To say that snipers in this game or in battle do not have a legitimate and important role is silly, they definitely do.

For me when one single player in one single class can control the game then it is a problem, and the only one like that I have seen was those danged machine guns in DOD. Remember how one good machine gunner could take a strategic position and hold the other team at bay for the entire map? I finally had to limit those suckers.

Perhaps I should limit just a few recon weapons in this game, and not the entire class? The problem there is folks will probably be complaining to limit the weapons that kill them the most frequently. But back to recon class, are there one or two sniper rifles you folks believe are unbalanced, due the firing rate, accuracy or perhaps both??

[Jeffro]

I think i'm gonna jump in the server tonight just so I can come back and complain in this epic thread about something

[mapes]

Hey Cain I was not complaining I was thanking you for giving it a go. My issue is not being sniped. My issue is the over half my team being recon and it seems I'm just running to cap a flag and getting killed over and over cause I have no backup. If theres another way to encourage players to cap I'm all for it