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    Hello Cain's lair forum members, this will be my first post. im unsure if im posting it in the right area as i didn't really find a "suggestion box" of sorts, so if its in the wrong section could an admin please re-locate this topic.

    ive been playing on cains lair a fair amount recently but id like to make some suggestions on various topics to help improve the server as a whole. This is going to be a fairly lengthy and organized(i hope) post so if your not fond of reading, might as well skip over now.




    Topics Of Interests



    1. Maps
    2. Time
    3. Start money
    4. No Anti Block
    5. Votes Disabled




    1. MAPS

    First off I'd like to say thanks for having Nuke VE as well as a few other very well designed competitive maps (like mirage) but there are some maps that i have issues with as well some basic flaws in the overall map picks.

    1. USE _SE versions of all maps if possible

    I can't stress this enough, they come with the game by default and are probably already on the server. playing dust2 with out SE version makes taking B site from T a nightmare if ur going to have someone on platform. For those who don't know, valve made _SE versions of every default map IE inferno_SE dust2_SE train_SE etc etc etc... there is no reason to ever not use them as they are better from an overal competitive standpoint. The SE versions of every map removes a lot of "dust" particals that impair peoples vision from certain angles as well as overall its just a cleaner version of the map. There is a reason why every league uses _SE versions (ESEA, ESL, MLG, CEVO, AA..the list goes on) you obviously care about your maps balance if you have nuke_VE in ur rotation(thank you for that btw) so why not simply use the _SE versions of the maps as well?

    2. Some maps need to be removed

    certain maps are plainly not balanced and with a 32 man server are just not even fun to play and have been known to kill the server(people leave) the following maps should be removed forever and burned in a hole until they can be made competitive. de_dust, de_aztec and de_vertigo all come to mind as the most unbalanced maps currently in the rotation. they are all very VERY easy to 15-0 first half as CT, this overall makes the game honestly not fun for anyone on the terrorist side as people just decide to simply camp and drag the game on longer. These maps should be removed until a map maker re balances the maps. (after double checking i realize you guys recently updated your map pool, thank you but im going to leave this in here because i already typed it out and it only re-enforces your current map pool)


    2. Time


    1. Buy Time too short


    The current buy time is set to 5 seconds to buy, this is ridiculously low. even using buy Keybinds i still end up leaving spawn when the server is full almost at 2:10-2:15 a full 10-20 seconds after im able to buy. i strongly urge you to increase the buy time to 8-10 seconds. Lets face it, some people are slow at buying or are just distracted, being delayed because ur teammates are blocking really hurts any possible rush strat you could do

    2. Round time too long

    2:30? i know in league 5v5 its 1:45 round time, but 2:30 is just crazy long. make it a solid 2 minutes. this will speed up rounds and reduce the time where players sit idle waiting for the round to end. i just finished a game on train and of the 9 rounds on T i played, 7 went the full 2:30 due to the terrorist just camping some where...this is ridiculous and shouldn't happen. It ruins overall play flow to have people sit around for a possible 1-2 minutes doing nothing but watching. cutting out 30 seconds can really clean up the overall play in the server and reduce the last man camping ordeal that tends to happen on bigger servers like this.


    3. Start money


    1. 1000 reasons why 800 is better

    Ok you caught me, im not actually gonna list 1000 reasons here(trust me im not THAT crazy) but i must ask the question, why did you change the standard default from 800 to 1000? some admin likes to troll with the zeus? (dont even get me started on the zeus btw) that extra 200$ doesnt seem like a lot but its actually the different between a full buy and an smg buy for the winning team. normally if you spend your 800 (which you should on pistol round) you'll have enough to buy an smg armor+helm and 1-2 grenades depending on total frags, with the extra 200 or even just simply a hard eco (saving the 1k) you can buy an awp round 2, or a rifle with light armor. this is just crazy and not normal in the meta of counter-strike. There is a reason why in every version of counter-strike the buy money for pistol round is 800$, and why mess with what has worked so well for many years?


    4. No Anti Block

    1. How many times can i die?

    you have no idea how many times people just get one another killed in your server, in my toal 9ish hours as of writing this time played there, i can say roughly 15-25% of my total deaths are because of a teammate blocking me in or just not paying attention and getting us both killed. Guys this is a 32 man server were talking about, if you add anti block it will fix soooo many issues (round start the wall of afks wont matter anymore) This solves so many issues im surprised its not on here to be honest.



    5. Voting disabled

    1. Wasn't there just an American election?

    I thought you guys liked to vote?(Canadian btw) In all seriousness you need to enable voting, your admins aren't always going to be around to help out. all it takes is one asshat during the wee hours of the morning to kill the server. also say people want to change the map because they dislike the current one, letting people vote just makes sense and makes everyone in the server happier.



    So those are my main 5 issues/suggestions to improve the server overall, i hope you take your time to read threw and consider each option. If anyone has anything they would like to discuss or for me to explain the reasoning behind id be more than happy to go into more detail (more detail? is this guy crazy?) hope to hear back and maybe one day see some of these suggestions implemented

    TL;DR Go Read It

    #2
    Hi there! And welcome to the Lair!

    No doubt Cain will be along very shortly to read all your suggestions and make changes if he see fit.

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      #3
      Thanks for joining us and playing on the server. Cain really is the man to talk to.
      I know we can't change the Time for the rounds to be found.
      Maps are really run to keep server full. Also people will leave even with any changes in the maps.

      Nothing is ever done for admins pleasure. Cain even has to wait in the line to get in.

      When there are customs it will drop people off. Mac users are having problems with custom maps as well.

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        #4
        Wow!! Very cool, and comments and constructive suggestions are always welcome...

        I'm walking out the door for a meeting, I'll read and comment later today.

        Thank you!!

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          #5
          I think there's some merit to the bulk of what you suggested. The only thing I disagree on is the lopsidedness of vertigo. It requires a slightly different approach to be successful in than other maps, and I'd love it to stay in rotation. RE: buy time, I buy manually with no binds and just hammering out the commands as quickly as I can I barely make the round start.
          B52, B42, B65 and then run. A couple more seconds would definitely be helpful. I'm in agreement over start money as well. Anti-block is worth consideration as well considering it's a non FF server. Having FF off is a compromise of 'realism' in lieu of practicality, and I think having no blocking is in the same vein. We'd all like to have our cake and eat it too, but on a 32 man server it's worth discussion. That said even though I will bitch loudly when I get blocked, i'm laughing at the same time.

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            #6
            Have you guys tried to bind your normal buys to the round start.. I wonder if thats possible. So when the round starts it auto buys one thing. Say armor(first thing I buy).

            If anyone know how please post so I can put the armor in my consol.

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              #7
              Originally posted by goldenfooler View Post
              I know we can't change the Time for the rounds to be found.
              ??? spellcheck typo? unsure of whats really being said here

              Originally posted by goldenfooler View Post
              Maps are really run to keep server full. Also people will leave even with any changes in the maps.
              im simply asking to use _SE versions. i mean you guys have train and d2 in your current rotation. heres a video compairing the two, you can just simply see better in the _SE version of the map. people wont have to download it either as it already comes with the game by default.




              Originally posted by goldenfooler View Post
              Nothing is ever done for admins pleasure. Cain even has to wait in the line to get in.
              a joke in poor taste i suppose on my part

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                #8
                Originally posted by goldenfooler View Post
                Have you guys tried to bind your normal buys to the round start.. I wonder if thats possible. So when the round starts it auto buys one thing. Say armor(first thing I buy).

                If anyone know how please post so I can put the armor in my consol.
                i know you cant set it up to auto buy for you but you can make your own buy menu, for example i use my numberpad and have bound everything to this

                TWhsf.png

                i put the following in my config to make it work like that

                // Alias (Abbreviations for weapon combinations)
                alias "m4a1/ak47" "buy m4a1;buy ak47"
                alias "aug/sg556" "buy aug;buy sg556"
                alias "galilar/famas" "buy galilar;buy famas"
                alias "g3sg1/scar20" "buy g3sg1; buy scar20"
                alias "vesthelm/vest" "buy vesthelm;buy vest"
                alias "incgrenade/molotov" "buy incgrenade;buy molotov"
                // ------------------------------------

                // Actual bindings (Abbreviations are used here)
                bind "KP_END" "buy awp"
                bind "KP_DOWNARROW" "aug/sg556"
                bind "KP_LEFTARROW" "buy p90"
                bind "KP_5" "buy hkp2000"
                bind "KP_RIGHTARROW" "buy ssg08"
                bind "KP_PGDN" "g3sg1/scar20"
                bind "KP_HOME" "galilar/famas"
                bind "KP_UPARROW" "buy deagle"
                bind "KP_PGUP" "m4a1/ak47"
                bind "KP_MULTIPLY" "buy smokegrenade"
                bind "KP_MINUS" "buy vesthelm"
                bind "KP_PLUS" "buy flashbang"
                bind "KP_ENTER" "buy hegrenade"
                bind "KP_DEL" "buy decoy"
                bind "KP_INS" "incgrenade/molotov"
                bind "-" "buy defuser"
                // ------------------------------------

                // Confirmation message
                Echo "Script loaded successfully!"

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by 905.RaID View Post
                  ??? spellcheck typo? unsure of whats really being said here
                  Sorry funny english I talk... er type. For the competitive mode if you change the length of the round you will not show up after filtering

                  im simply asking to use _SE versions. i mean you guys have train and d2 in your current rotation. heres a video compairing the two, you can just simply see better in the _SE version of the map. people wont have to download it either as it already comes with the game by default.
                  Cain would have to talk to you more about the specific maps. I do know he really looks at all the different maps. Some changes really people just leave on and well there is still the problem with Mac users... not sure if it was fully figured out.

                  That being said I am most likely just confusing the issue sorry





                  a joke in poor taste i suppose on my part
                  We all have poor jokes and I like them... did you hear why the baby crossed the road... he was stapled to the chicken(yes I know its bad). I just wanted to make sure you know we get no privileges for being an admin other then pride in the server and taking part in it.

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                    #10
                    Thanks for the suggestions, they are most welcome and most appreciated...

                    1) Maps --
                    a) Many of the SE maps only hold 10 players, 5 per side. I could eventually manually modify them to hold more but it would take a lot of time, I don't have ATM. I already modified the standard maps to hold 32, 16 per side. I'm wide open on trying the SE maps, can you tell me which ones hold 32 players?
                    b) I get more messages and comments saying "we want more maps!" than anything else so I try to rotate all the maps through the server. I know some maps like Dust and Aztec are one-sided but they are still very popular and they will appear form time to time. Nobody wants Dust2 24/7, well nobody around here, I know there are many Dust2 only servers out there. WRT Custom maps, we run quite a few but many players cannot download them so they get dumped whenever one comes up. This week I was running several, every other map was a custom, but I'm dropping back to more standard for a while.

                    2a) Buy Time too short. The buy time is currently 45 seconds, I have had it as low as 30 secs, but people complained.
                    2b) Round time too long. As it is, most maps are CT sided already, and shortening the round time makes it more difficult for the Ts to win, particularly when the first 60 secs of any map is spent waiting for Mollys to burn out. I'll consider shortening it, but remember, I also run Cs maps in and they need at least 2:30.

                    3) Start Money -- when we started the server I had many people wanting me to set start money very high. I settled on 1000 so you can buy armor, and give the Ts a sporting chance in that first round. I'm not married to 1000 tho and if a lot of people want it lowered, and have a good reason, I'd definitely consider it.

                    4) Anti-Block - Are you talking about the very beginning or the entire round? Anti-Block is a standard setting for a competitive server, which we run. Also guys like to boost each other onto boxes and ledges and the ladder in Vertigo. Blocking and getting blocked is part of the game and ads to the realism, IMO.

                    5) Voting Disabled - I had it enabled for the first month of the server and it was a huge pain. Guys CONSTANTLY voting to kick some guy they did not like, or who killed them. The map voting is also a problem, guys wanting to switch to some lame map they like that immediately empties the server. Also, at present guys can vote admins out, which happened to me. Until they improve the options we have for voting, it may stay disabled.

                    I really appreciate the feedback and you taking the time to post all this. Please be aware that i spend a ridiculous amount of time on my server, I study each and every option and setting looking for what will be the most popular and fun. It is also important to note that Cain's Lair is the busiest 32 player CSGO server in the world, so we must be doing it right ...

                    All that having been said, I tend to fiddle and tweak settings constantly, most I never discuss, to see what works and what does not, what increases player count and retention time and what runs them away.

                    Take care, glad you are having fun here !!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by 905.RaID View Post
                      [COLOR=#FFFFFF]Ok you caught me, im not actually gonna list 1000 reasons here(trust me im not THAT crazy) but i must ask the question, why did you change the standard default from 800 to 1000? some admin likes to troll with the zeus? (dont even get me started on the zeus btw) that extra 200$ doesnt seem like a lot but its actually the different between a full buy and an smg buy for the winning team. normally if you spend your 800 (which you should on pistol round) you'll have enough to buy an smg armor+helm and 1-2 grenades depending on total frags, with the extra 200 or even just simply a hard eco (saving the 1k) you can buy an awp round 2, or a rifle with light armor. this is just crazy and not normal in the meta of counter-strike. There is a reason why in every version of counter-strike the buy money for pistol round is 800$, and why mess with what has worked so well for many years?
                      Firstly, Welcome to the cains lair!!!! Its nice for cser's with a little knowledge to come and voice their opinion!

                      Secondly...I dont troll with the zeus, its more of a sneak

                      I wouldn't mind seeing some voting at the end of maps for the next map either, only problem is the dust2 almost always gets picked.
                      "It's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of gum."

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                        #12
                        2a) I think he might be referring to "freeze time" rather than actual buy time
                        [hlx]

                        "Why so serious"

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by trip202 View Post
                          2a) I think he might be referring to "freeze time" rather than actual buy time
                          Oh, I had the freeze time higher, but got CONSTANT complaints to lower it, people want to buy and go !! Increasing the Freeze time will make more people move at the same time, making the initial blocking problems worse. There are plenty of players who move when the 5 secs expire, some could probably move faster.

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                            #14
                            I personally have no problem with it, sometimes I buy so fast I still have a second or two left - I'm ready to go (and sometimes you get the drop on the slow buyers on the other team this way)
                            [hlx]

                            "Why so serious"

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                              #15
                              The only real problem is you have money to actually buy something. That and the auto buy F2 button still is borked.

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