mmmm snipers..

[Brian is Huh?!{CLR}]

im not hating or anything but can we LIMIT how many recons there can be in the server?

ive played games where my entire team is literally all recons and not moving up.. or vice versa the other team.
knowing me... im a rocket person. i like to get into the action and run around like a headless chicken. when games like this comes up, it gets really boring cause either were getting mowed down or nothings happening cause everyones camping.


=====4 RECON LIMIT AGREEMENT LIST=====

-=AGREE=-
Brian is Huh?!
Mapes
Mooserator
Furryappleseed
Cobalt
-=*DISAGREE*=-
Caddy












K_Phantom :P

[TheSilentAssassin]

Just played on a server where there was a limit to 4 snipers total. So needless to say I think its possible.

[Duke{CLR}]

Was it a ranked server? I think there are many of theses settings that can be done but it would then not be ranked which would hurt our ability to stay full for any period of time.

[{CLR} Cobalt]

Was it a ranked server? I think there are many of theses settings that can be done but it would then not be ranked which would hurt our ability to stay full for any period of time.

I think you underestimate the draw of a limited sniper server. You put that in the title, and I guarantee you people will come play. It's a catch 22.

So the sniper mullets wont play if we limit them, no loss on my end. So they wont play. Big deal. But on the other hand how many more other class players will you gain. From experience,(go look at my hours played) I can tell you I've "NEVER" heard at any time people complaining about medics, eng., or assault class. The only complaints I've "EVER" heard is from people about the snipers. Thats what I would base my decision on.

If someone is adamant about playing recon, then they wont be missed anyway. How many sniper classes are you friendly with. They hide by themselves and dont lend to capping objectives much. They dont even counter snipe, just take the easy shots of people moving on objectives.The new people to the Lair that we have befriended, such as Luis or Moose, have been good players that interact because they play different classes.

Trust me, limiting snipers has far greater upside than down. It may take time for the word to get around, but I guarantee you will have more repeat players once the word does get out.

I've played on totally sniperless servers,none at all, and I can tell you that they have a great deal of success. I know we have some here that play recon, but for the most part, they at least try and get in the mix and dont hide in the hills. It's the ones that never leave the spawn very far and just sit there the whole game. Time and time again you see people getting waxed for shooting from the spawn. It's a large number if you did the stats. You might say the server is doing it's job , but they only move up a few more meters until they find a spot they can safely shoot from then stay there. They really dont care.

Snipers have their place, I cant disagree, but 8 on one team is over the top.

[SIR Rossy]

the snipers get to me sometimes but i just work on sneaking up behind them and getting a few tags in Sure i would love a 4 sniper limit per team it would be awesome!!!!!!!!! they would actually have to work with the team... buttttt the amount of times ive seriously seen this posted by people ive lost count [no offence .. none taken thanks ] the simple solution i take if i get annoyed with snipers in 40mm smoke lol it works they cant shoot what they cant see! unless they get lucky haha

[Furryappleseed]

Sniper limit very possible, but violates ROE. So Cain could limit them, but one person will not like it, report the server, and the server could be warned or lose ranked status.

Me personally, don't care much for stats, so that wouldnt be end of world. I dont necessarily like that possibility either. Most do care though, and it would be for the greater good of the server to keep that ranked status.

I just make sure I am on a good squad and I can have fun, even if we are being savagely beaten...hehe

[{CLR} Cobalt]

So eliminating any class at all jeopardizes the ranked status. Or is there a way to limit them. I'm not saying doing away with them all together. But what are the rules on limited classes. Can you limit them at all or not. Thats the question, I dont think has been answered yet. If we CAN limit them, why hasnt that been at least tried.

So the question is. Can recon class be limited at all, or do they have to be left alone to keep ranked status. Or is that something we just choose to do on our own.

[Pumpkin_Jack]

dont be hatin' i snipe and move up

[Furryappleseed]

So eliminating any class at all jeopardizes the ranked status. Or is there a way to limit them. I'm not saying doing away with them all together. But what are the rules on limited classes. Can you limit them at all or not. Thats the question, I dont think has been answered yet. If we CAN limit them, why hasnt that been at least tried.

So the question is. Can recon class be limited at all, or do they have to be left alone to keep ranked status. Or is that something we just choose to do on our own.

There is nothing stopping a server from downloading a plug in and limiting a class. There is only the fact that it is against the rules. If you never get caught, or if EA/Dice don't care that you are doing it then you will stay ranked.

I don't know if Dice cares since bf3 is so close and bc2 is towards the end of its life. Seems as though some of these servers have been doing it for some time, so I don't know. Or, they could be taking away ranked status in bunches. I have never really found an answer to that.

[Caddys83]

Not this again

[SIR Rossy]

I'm really over talking about the snipers in fact I was one myself look,at my recon stats I helped the team out tho ... if they help they help if they don't its just a game .. forcing people to move to another server because this one doesn't like snipers is stereotyping in a way ..there part of the game and that's that .. my 2 cents

[Brian is Huh?!{CLR}]

ive played in ranked servers with 500ticket count with limit of 5 snipers in per team. there was no complaining. Only thing you could do is, find a sniper kit or move on.

what are the chances of people reporting to EA/DICE that the server has a sniper cap?

if players are here for "us" they'll be like Luis and Moose, they'll be switching classes and befriend us and coming back for the server and the family we have here.

if they don't like it, they'll leave and join another server.

like Apple said, EA/DICE doesnt care about anything, they just make a game and move onto something else.gee i read an article that EA/DICE are shutting down some game servers to cut cost. The games are only 1yrs old. Like Madden 10, NHL 10, some battlefield games.
http://www.thetechgame.com/News/sid=...e-servers.html

for the greater of the server.. alot more people will be "ACTIVE" and the game play will be more fun! and we will have a better fire fight games.

then i guess we have already failed to follow the RoE in bfbc2

(a) Players may not use explicit, offensive or racist language in-game.

(b) Players may not impersonate clan members or other server administrators.

(c) Players may not deliberately performing actions that hinder their own team (such as last-minute team-swapping to increase scores or statistics, excessive team-killing, destroying friendly vehicles, attacking team-mates,
"

I've seen player bad mouth others alot! and alot of TKn
this also follows in the "Ranked Server RoE"
we should also get a TK punish plugin
"2.2.3 TK Punish must be active (i.e. not ?€œoff?€?), but can be set to automatically punish or to allow players to punish/forgive by voting."

i know im ranting and all but putting it to a limit will be alot better.

[TheSilentAssassin]

Was it a ranked server? I think there are many of theses settings that can be done but it would then not be ranked which would hurt our ability to stay full for any period of time.

It most definately was a ranked server cause my score went up at the end of the round

[Mooserator]

I support sniper limit scripts, and enjoy servers that run them and are still ranked. I also understand and respect Cain's interpretation of the EA ROE, even though I interpret it differently. Would Cain's Lair be de-ranked? Unlikely, but not impossible. My post, with similar discussion, back from May - Sniper limit script - Cain's Lair Forums .

I will say this - the auto-kill zones around the uncap bases are GREATLY appreciated. These alone help reduce instances of the players I describe as k/d whoring non-team oriented camping bush-wackers. So, hats off for the auto-kill zones since it does have an impact on snipers and their wack fests.

If you find me on a losing team that is getting decimated while hoards of teammates cower in the woods with their sniper wack buddies, I absolutely load up the assault kit with smoke grenades and go to town on them. Yep, it pisses them off - tough crap, I'm certainly not tking them. So, if you see tons of repeated smoke back near my uncap, do me a favor and come to take out the sniper bushwackers! Be kind to the moose though

Oh, and thanks to Cobalt and Brian for thinking of me
Moose

[Brian is Huh?!{CLR}]

yea, same here when i played that 500 ticket count server it was ranked, then i wouldnt be rank 20ish so fast. it was sorta boosting but it got counted therefore it was a rank.

and alot of the others servers have recon limits yet they are 4 recon per team. but i mostly noticed this on where the admins are active :]

@Moose: it is a pleasure to name some new CLRs :] people like you make the game more interesting..
you can also stick tracers on them and make them into a nice blinking XMAS tree
too bad rockets wont lock onto them.. then you would have a Man Controlled Homing Beacon LOL