How many snipers??

[Mooserator]

I have a question, why is it so hard for you guys to counter attack or flank the snipers?

Easy answer! Because when they are on my team that is team killing! Recall, my primary motivation is team play, not personal k/d ratio.

[{CLR} Cobalt]

I have a question, why is it so hard for you guys to counter attack or flank the snipers?

Waste of time and resources, not the mission. Plus, most snipers on your team wont take the time to hunt down or countersnipe. Too selfish,only interested in the easy kill. ie: people trying to cap bases. Easy targets.

Hard targets dont reward them much = not a good K/D ratio = not able to brag that they have high score. Which is bs in an objective based game anyway. But you get the picture cause you be hidin most of the game and dont see much.

[Apache Warrior]

I was not complaining about the sniper limit. I was just commenting on my ability to die from snipers even when they were limited.
I have to agree with Rand. I think the sniper limit should work like it did in DOD. Cain limited the MG and the sniper class in DOD. And I loved sniping in DOD.
With the sniper limit set the way it is it is guaranteed to piss off players who like to play sniper. There isn't any way to tell if the limit has been reached unless you die as you respawn.
Apache

[Schultzy]

I am rather offended that I am being considered a sniper. Those who have watched me play know better than that. I tend to play sniper 25% of the time that I am playing. I play sniper for the sole purpose of getting plat's with the rifles. (Currently on the SVU, 5 gold) Kind of hard to select that kit when there's a limit of three (now four), and frankly? I don't feel the need to be sitting there, spawning time and time again, to see if the kit has opened up.

I suppose I could sit here and complain about all of the people that tend to make use of the CG's and 40mm's? They're one hit kills too, last I checked. Even worse, they have splash damage. But I find that if I am getting killed with either of them too much, I just leave and cool down because it gets terribly annoying to be slaughtered by explosives all of the time.

Amusingly, I have found myself collecting ace pins as a sniper too. I find it hard to believe that someone who sits on the edge of the map would ace said map, as a sniper. Must have been alot of kills? Or maybe I was in the fray, with/supporting my squad and capping flags?

But that's defensive. I think I should state more directly my thought on the limit/the idea of limiting kits (of any kind, for that matter):

I agree heavily with a limit, to be frank, but I disagree heavily with the way the current plugin option incorporates the limit. Spawning in as a sniper only to be server-slayed because the limit has been reached is tedious.

Note: you're more than welcome to look at my stats. Apparently my comment of 25% of the time is WAY off. Sniper is my least-played class.
Schultzy - BFBC2 Stats

Second note: if you're going to rail me, please spell my name correctly at the very least.

[BadHabitz]

Perhaps I should limit just a few recon weapons in this game, and not the entire class? The problem there is folks will probably be complaining to limit the weapons that kill them the most frequently. But back to recon class, are there one or two sniper rifles you folks believe are unbalanced, due the firing rate, accuracy or perhaps both??

Limit all of the sniper rifles but keep the generic weapons (G3, M14, shotguns, etc) to unlimited. That way people won't be restricted from using motion mines or artillery, or the kit as a whole.

It's that hang back and scope mentality that turns most of us off.

[TheSilentAssassin]

or a rocket to the face w/ explosive rounds

I get those regardless or not whether im playin sniper

[Apache Warrior]

Lets not start a flame war here please. Everyone is entitled to his opinion and has the right to post it without being attacked. The players who like to play sniper have a right to post an opposing view point. The ones posting here all play sniper as an asset to the team. When the other teams snipers are hurting your team, one or two counter snipers can take them out of the equation. I do not know how many times I have been C4'ed in a tank by a sniper charging or sneaking up on me. Assault snipers are also a great asset to the team whether it is capping or defending flags or just blowing the other team away with a shotgun.

I like to play sniper some and I like to counter snipe. This game is designed to play with more then two classes and would not attract the wide range of players it does if it did not have more than one type of game play. Every one's style of game play is different and should be respected.
Everyone is entitled to post here and all should be polite to everyone else in the forums.
Personally, I do not have a problem with unrestricted snipers. If they kill me too much, I just try a different tactic to take them out until I find one that works.
But, This is Cain's Server and we all play the on his server with the rules he imposes. Cain has been running game servers a long time. He spends more time analyzing what is best for a server and what helps to keep a server full than most of you realize. I am talking about a lot of hours here. More than most of you have time in playing games. And don't ask about how much of his own money has gone into providing game servers. It was only recently that he started accepting donations.
I have to agree with him when he says it is better to play on a full server than to sit in an empty one.
So play nice and have fun. Remember, the person you are killing or is killing you wants to have fun too.
Apache and his

[SIR Rossy]

Well said Apache

[JohnyRico]

As a proud camper let me tell you why so many people play sniper, not recon, sniper. It's fun. The point of playing the game for most people is to have fun. It can be fun to set up camp, stare at the world through a the scope and know that connecting 1 time will put the other guy down. It's fun to shoot they guy running like mad and it's fun to head shoot the guy squatted down sniping in your direction. I especially like it in cod4 where if you head shot a guy a red spray went out behind him. I called it painting the walls.

The bad part here is that the best time to play sniper is in Team Death Match where the only thing that matters is killing more of them than they kill of you. Sadly that mode doesn't exist in any BF games so when lots of people start having fun the same way it upsets the people who don't enjoy just sniping for the fun of sniping. In BF most of the time the snipers aren't being very productive.

Lastly, Cain has a server with lots of people wandering through. That means lots of people not actively part of the forums. I hardly ever snipe on Cain's server because of the constant threads like this one and knowing how much it irritates folks. I respect the other CLR's enough to not play what is the funnest version of the game for me because I know it limits the enjoyment that so many of our players get out of the game. Many players on the server however just wander in, play a while and wander out. While they are there they play, and have their fun, as they want.

I hardly ever play BC2 any more because I have moved on to other games. I guess I would say to the whole issue is that the folks who play sniper non-stop, and never do anything to take a flag, paid their money for the game just like everyone else and should be able to able to have fun playing the game any way they want. I bet a server that was labeled "snipers only" and banned every other class would probably stay at 32 vs 32 and one round would last for hours.

[SIR Rossy]

the whole issue is that the folks who play sniper non-stop, and never do anything to take a flag, paid their money for the game just like everyone else and should be able to able to have fun playing the game any way they want.

this is very true i didnt think of it that way but yes we all Paid our hard earned money to play weather we like it or not its still just a game

[mapes]

I bet a server that was labeled "snipers only" and banned every other class would probably stay at 32 vs 32 and one round would last for hours.

I suspect your completely right here. Else why would there be a scourge of snipers in the first place. I think part of the problem here is the ranked server concept. People wanna be ranked in general. Yes even KDR stat seeking snipers. If the ranked server thing did not exist people could setup whatever server they wanted to.

The ranked server concept was initially made to prevent hacking. At least that was the rationale. I think it failed in that attempt

[Apache Warrior]

I suspect your completely right here. Else why would there be a scourge of snipers in the first place. I think part of the problem here is the ranked server concept. People wanna be ranked in general. Yes even KDR stat seeking snipers. If the ranked server thing did not exist people could setup whatever server they wanted to.

The ranked server concept was initially made to prevent hacking. At least that was the rationale. I think it failed in that attempt

Cartillery put that one away.
Apache

[baconoclock]

Cartillery put that one away.
Apache

Oh man, first time I saw cartillery I laughed so hard I was sore.

[mapes]

Oh man, first time I saw cartillery I laughed so hard I was sore.

It only took them 2 years to fix that

[Pumpkin_Jack]

I do not know how many times I have been C4'ed in a tank by a sniper charging or sneaking up on me.

Hmm..... why does this seem like deja vu lol. C4 tanks is my specialty